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Old 03-06-2015, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
Just curious as to how you think they would stop coming within the 4 year period?
I just said until the checks stop coming because they will stop coming. I didn't mention a time frame. Should have gone for a more permanent solution because those coming on board now won't see upgrade in the next 4 years. (yes we can agree to disagree but I don't believe it will happen that fast)

You're too vulnerable and disposable. Being wholly owned by Delta is a bad thing. Delta could sell you guys off to SkyWest in a year from now and then that fancy bonus is out the window...and you're now dealing with another integration/contract nightmare.

OR Delta will start playing nice with it's wholly owned. It's just never worked out well for a DCI wholly owned and we all have short memories.
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Old 03-06-2015, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
I just said until the checks stop coming because they will stop coming. I didn't mention a time frame. Should have gone for a more permanent solution because those coming on board now won't see upgrade in the next 4 years. (yes we can agree to disagree but I don't believe it will happen that fast)

You're too vulnerable and disposable. Being wholly owned by Delta is a bad thing. Delta could sell you guys off to SkyWest in a year from now and then that fancy bonus is out the window...and you're now dealing with another integration/contract nightmare.

OR Delta will start playing nice with it's wholly owned. It's just never worked out well for a DCI wholly owned and we all have short memories.
I'm the farthest thing from a cheerleader for a Endeavor, but the bonus checks are guaranteed for 4 years, just so we are on the same page. Nowhere in the LOA/contract did it say "while owned by DL" as far as I'm aware.
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Old 03-06-2015, 08:29 AM
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I don't think there is a guarantee necessarily for the retention payments. However it is an LOA which does make it legally-binding in a court of law.

The card that trumps that is the Bridge Agreement which stipulates the fleet guarantee. ALPA lawyers are convinced that is rock solid.

With all that being said - Delta has a very good legal team. If they challenged it and held up the payments, it would take a long time to see that money.
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Old 03-06-2015, 08:32 AM
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Oh alpa lawyers say it's rock solid. You are screwed then most definetly.
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Old 03-06-2015, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
I just said until the checks stop coming because they will stop coming. I didn't mention a time frame. Should have gone for a more permanent solution because those coming on board now won't see upgrade in the next 4 years. (yes we can agree to disagree but I don't believe it will happen that fast)

You're too vulnerable and disposable. Being wholly owned by Delta is a bad thing. Delta could sell you guys off to SkyWest in a year from now and then that fancy bonus is out the window...and you're now dealing with another integration/contract nightmare.

OR Delta will start playing nice with it's wholly owned. It's just never worked out well for a DCI wholly owned and we all have short memories.
You can play the what if game for any airline. Or what if a large meteor stuck earth tomorrow? You mean to tell me that no one would get their bonus checks in April? I don't understand why you are having such a hard time letting this place go, shouldn't you have already moved on by now?
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
You can play the what if game for any airline. Or what if a large meteor stuck earth tomorrow? You mean to tell me that no one would get their bonus checks in April? I don't understand why you are having such a hard time letting this place go, shouldn't you have already moved on by now?
I've been thinking the same thing. There's always an antagonist, and Alaska is definitely that guy. He's like the kid at the arcade who runs out of quarters while all his buddies keep playing on...then when he goes home and his mom asks how it was, he complains about how lame the arcade was.

Can we all chip in and get this guy another bucket of quarters, please?
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
I just said until the checks stop coming because they will stop coming. I didn't mention a time frame. Should have gone for a more permanent solution because those coming on board now won't see upgrade in the next 4 years. (yes we can agree to disagree but I don't believe it will happen that fast)

You're too vulnerable and disposable. Being wholly owned by Delta is a bad thing. Delta could sell you guys off to SkyWest in a year from now and then that fancy bonus is out the window...and you're now dealing with another integration/contract nightmare.

OR Delta will start playing nice with it's wholly owned. It's just never worked out well for a DCI wholly owned and we all have short memories.
Yeah, much better to be owned by Trans States Holdings Just move on why don't ya.
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Old 03-06-2015, 04:10 PM
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Delta has finally found something that works here, and DCI is turning mass profits. They will maintain status quo from this point forward. By spoiling the customer in the core business, Delta makes its money off the ancillary businesses. This is why they buy stuff like oil refineries, and they will continue to invest in other businesses in the future.
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Old 03-07-2015, 04:29 AM
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They need mainline to feed DCI, DUH!
Are you the person that was saying that Delta was gonna break out an ab initio program too?
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Are you the person that was saying that Delta was gonna break out an ab initio program too?
I have no doubt they are looking closely at this option for the future.
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