Pinnacle=Endeavor Air
06-04-2013, 11:39 AM
#121
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As a Colgan pilot, I can promise that most people had no idea who Colgan was. My answer to the who do you work for was always followed by "Who? Never heard of them." The Buffalo crash had no impact on public perception because outside of a very small group, there was no public perception of Colgan. We wouldn't have gone away, our planes are still being flown on the same routes, just by different people. The merger and bankruptcy killed Colgan, not BUF. Thus royally screwing my CAREER EXPECTATIONS!
06-04-2013, 11:55 AM
#122
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The same could be said about Pinnacle, yet the name is being changed anyway. Partly to distance from all the embarrassments that Pinnacle has had over the last 12 or so years since the last name change. Does it really change anything? Nope but part of our concessions are being spent on it anyway.
06-04-2013, 11:58 AM
#123
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My career expectations for Pinnacle after I was displaced from Colgan was to take my free CRJ Type rating, my longevity bonus and crap in a bag with my resignation stuffed in it, set it on fire and leave it at the front door.
Endeavor Air...a new crap stain on the underpants of the aviation industry. Soon for sale to the dumbest bidder!
Endeavor Air...a new crap stain on the underpants of the aviation industry. Soon for sale to the dumbest bidder!
06-04-2013, 12:09 PM
#124
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IMO, an no offense to the Colgan guys, but I think Colgan's fate was sealed after the BUF crash. You can't screw up that big, that much incompetence that was lied about, and expect to still get away with it. 9E Corp knew Colgan had to go, which is why the intial plan was to get it all called Mesaba for props. I'd argue that after the 2009 crash, Colgan didn't really have any realistic career expectations. If they were left standalone, they would have died out.
06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
#125
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OK, I'll play.
Let's just take a look at what airplanes are in the bankruptcy final fleet:
41 XJ CRJ-900's + 40 additional 900's. (This post is just for fun, I don't believe these numbers.)
With all Turbo Props, 200's, and the mismanaged 900's going away, they could have just kept XJ and let the other 2 die without a merger.
My Career Expectations were dashed!
But then, how do you go into bankruptcy and cap the rates at 4 and 12 years at peasant rates...................
Let's just take a look at what airplanes are in the bankruptcy final fleet:
41 XJ CRJ-900's + 40 additional 900's. (This post is just for fun, I don't believe these numbers.)
With all Turbo Props, 200's, and the mismanaged 900's going away, they could have just kept XJ and let the other 2 die without a merger.
My Career Expectations were dashed!
But then, how do you go into bankruptcy and cap the rates at 4 and 12 years at peasant rates...................
06-04-2013, 01:20 PM
#126
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OK, I'll play.
Let's just take a look at what airplanes are in the bankruptcy final fleet:
41 XJ CRJ-900's + 40 additional 900's. (This post is just for fun, I don't believe these numbers.)
With all Turbo Props, 200's, and the mismanaged 900's going away, they could have just kept XJ and let the other 2 die without a merger.
My Career Expectations were dashed!
But then, how do you go into bankruptcy and cap the rates at 4 and 12 years at peasant rates...................
Let's just take a look at what airplanes are in the bankruptcy final fleet:
41 XJ CRJ-900's + 40 additional 900's. (This post is just for fun, I don't believe these numbers.)
With all Turbo Props, 200's, and the mismanaged 900's going away, they could have just kept XJ and let the other 2 die without a merger.
My Career Expectations were dashed!
But then, how do you go into bankruptcy and cap the rates at 4 and 12 years at peasant rates...................
As for Mesaba standalone, I think it would be delusional to think that XJ would be getting all the new 40 CR9s basethin the fact that the XJ contract is expensive with their 18 year scale for pilots. No way. Most likely GoJets would have gotten it in that case.
But then, how do you go into bankruptcy and cap the rates at 4 and 12 years at peasant rates...................
06-04-2013, 01:25 PM
#127
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Yes and Colgan and XJ pilots like to use this argument a lot. Sure, 9E loses all 140 CR2s. But that is down the road in the future! In the *meantime* plenty of Colgan and XJ pilots are occupying 9E jets especially left seats. In this meantime, Colgan planes are already gone, and so are the Mesaba Saabs. That is already gone, not some future scenario.
As for Mesaba standalone, I think it would be delusional to think that XJ would be getting all the new 40 CR9s basethin the fact that the XJ contract is expensive with their 18 year scale for pilots. No way. Most likely GoJets would have gotten it in that case.
You voted yes for it?
As for Mesaba standalone, I think it would be delusional to think that XJ would be getting all the new 40 CR9s basethin the fact that the XJ contract is expensive with their 18 year scale for pilots. No way. Most likely GoJets would have gotten it in that case.
You voted yes for it?
06-04-2013, 01:58 PM
#129
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A Colgan pilot just said "career expectations.". There should be a law against that.
It was a bluff. Delta isn't stupid to wait and see if 9E votes yes and then decide what happens. Delta knows already who will be in the regional game. You voted No? Just the same way I'm sure you didn't bid to come to the jets. As for the other people in support positions, mist of those are MEM people and the majority are not moving to cold MSP. They will try and find employment elsewhere, like Fedex.
It was a bluff. Delta isn't stupid to wait and see if 9E votes yes and then decide what happens. Delta knows already who will be in the regional game. You voted No? Just the same way I'm sure you didn't bid to come to the jets. As for the other people in support positions, mist of those are MEM people and the majority are not moving to cold MSP. They will try and find employment elsewhere, like Fedex.
06-04-2013, 02:02 PM
#130
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Boom!
Delta to drop Memphis as hub airport - Yahoo! Finance
Another step in the direction of Comair.
Delta to drop Memphis as hub airport - Yahoo! Finance
Another step in the direction of Comair.
