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Old 11-28-2016, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Right now their #1 objective is to stop Bartels from becoming MEC Chairman.
Makes it pretty easy for me to decide whom to support!
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Old 11-28-2016, 03:03 PM
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Looks like Bartells (Chair) and Brielmann (Secretary) are running based on the emails I just received.

2017 is shaping up to be an interesting year...
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Those guys badly want to return to power.
I think they are a bit shell-shocked these days. You'll notice most of the more prominent ones have gone social media silent.
They didn't think the union would even be able to function without them let alone negotiate a vastly improved TA with full retro.
Recent events have been pretty embarrassing for them. All their doom and gloom predictions were wrong.

Right now their #1 objective is to stop Bartels from becoming MEC Chairman.

After that, we'll see.
I agree Check, they can't handle the reality of what's transpired..
Rube's one sided politics are showing now, must be cruch time.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rube

This TA will pass. Hugely. No one who supported the DIRTY DOZEN deserves any part of the future administration.
If it wasn't for the STRONG 12 we would have had:

1. CONCESSIONS IN PROFIT SHARING
2. GIVEN UP MORE RJs

I'm so glad you don't serve on our behalf. The MD-11 was bad enough!
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Old 11-29-2016, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
I'm with you!

I think the "12" unintentionally did the pilots a disservice. I'm not convinced they intended to set the dangerous precedent, but they did. The precedent is having any faction that can cobble together 10 reps on any issue, or bundle of issues, making decisions for the body - then informing the rest of the body of the way the it's going to be.

Seems ok if you like the direction...

...until it works to cut your homies out next time.

In the case of the final TA, it took Bastian and Malone to buy into the mediator's advice. Helmet stickers to those 3! Lessons learned. Let's move on.
It was 12 reps. While 10 would give control, this was always the case. Consensus building is just talking someone off their position in favor of a more centrist approach. Blatant or otherwise, that's politics. I don't care for style points much because schmoozers and "political operatives" are always trying to soften an approach to stay electable. The hard stop needed to happen for everyone to have a reality check, especially management.
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Old 11-29-2016, 04:59 PM
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This has got to be a good agreement, everyone seems to want to take credit for it or bestowed credit for it to their favorite reps......even the ones who voted no.
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Old 11-30-2016, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
If it wasn't for the STRONG 12 we would have had:

1. CONCESSIONS IN PROFIT SHARING
2. GIVEN UP MORE RJs

I'm so glad you don't serve on our behalf. The MD-11 was bad enough!
Besides Mason and Nestor, who else is running that was part of the MD-11 last year?
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:53 AM
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Besides Mason and Nestor, who else is running that was part of the MD-11 last year?
Certainly hope these 2 don't get anywhere near the MEC. I've relayed this to my reps as well. I absolutely don't trust their motives or their judgement.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:23 AM
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Certainly hope these 2 don't get anywhere near the MEC. I've relayed this to my reps as well. I absolutely don't trust their motives or their judgement.
Same here....they talk a good game about representing the line pilots but their political ambitions and self serving interests indicate otherwise.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
It's moot in the sense that it (the process) is over and done with now and there is nothing we can do about it. What's eminently debatable is whether the 12 got us a better deal in the long run or not.

Were the ALPA Constitution and the MEC Policy manual violated? If so, please point me to specific sections. If they were violated, I would have thought a much bigger stink would have been made.

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In that MEC functions under Robert's Rules of Order as mandated by the policy manual, yes, it was violated. Section 4, paragraph D.
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