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Old 11-15-2016, 07:44 AM
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Default No vote now gets you a 6% raise

I thought a no vote would mean no raise for a long time. I'm confused

Anyone have the list of concessions they get with this 6% raise?
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I'd prefer 18% plus 1%DC and a $40,000 retro check for Christmas. I've never had to get a doctor's note and don't plan on having to get one anytime soon. And I don't consider it a big deal if I do because I'm honest.

But that's just me.
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You're crying about other employees getting a raise? If you don't like the TA, vote no, but whining about what others have is just a little sad, IMO.
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Sorry, my math was in error. I forgot to add another 3% in 6 weeks. My bad.
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Where is the complaining about other employees getting a raise. Good for them. I always thought they would get a raise and 3b4 would lift us up if the company decided to drag this on. What this means is we will be getting a 6% raise if we vote No. Seems pretty straight forward.

Before today, the tune was if you vote no, we will not get a raise for a very long time. Now it is, if you vote no, I guess you'll get a 6% raise, but but but there is no way you will ever get anything more than that for a very long time.
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Some are willing to sell scope and give other concessions. They claim section 1 is most important, until some Benjamin's are flashed.
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Where is the complaining about other employees getting a raise. Good for them. I always thought they would get a raise and 3b4 would lift us up if the company decided to drag this on. What this means is we will be getting a 6% raise if we vote No. Seems pretty straight forward.

Before today, the tune was if you vote no, we will not get a raise for a very long time. Now it is, if you vote no, I guess you'll get a 6% raise, but but but there is no way you will ever get anything more than that for a very long time.

"Base pay rates will increase by 6 percent for all eligible ground and flight attendant employees ...."
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$3.31B in gains
($0.14B) in gives
$3.17B Net gain

Um. Yeah, I can live with that.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
"Base pay rates will increase by 6 percent for all eligible ground and flight attendant employees ...."
Exactly why 3b4 is triggered and would give pilots a 6% raise

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$3.31B in gains
($0.14B) in gives
$3.17B Net gain

Um. Yeah, I can live with that.
Work rule concessions can't be quantified so easily. What value does each individual pilot place on potentially verifying all sick calls for the rest of their career due the lookback. What value does a MCO pilot place on losing perdiem to do daytrips out of MCO via a NYC trip? You can't place one so easily
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Exactly why 3b4 is triggered and would give pilots a 6% raise


Work rule concessions can't be quantified so easily. What value does each individual pilot place on potentially verifying all sick calls for the rest of their career due the lookback. What value does a MCO pilot place on losing perdiem to do daytrips out of MCO via a NYC trip? You can't place one so easily
Inplace a high value on the improved reroute section. Better duty rigs, better disability etc...
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