gloopy

Abuse is in reference to the massive, wanton code share abuse by AS for years. As in what, 14 large 737's a day from SEA-LAX while we didn't fly a single one, along with many others. It was a radically one sided agreement for a long time. Finally, due to completely other reasons, its significantly corrected itself. Yet they refuse to even lock in a portion of the gains since then in our CBA. That's troubling. Especially since, supposedly, the VX/AS merger is guaranteed to end our code share forever and ever (which I'm highly skeptical of BTW).

As for the NC, don't take my word for it. Ask them yourself. This really isn't even disputable and I don't know why you would even challenge it. We tried to get it, the company said no way. Ask anyone on the NC and they will tell you.

The real question is why did the company say no way? During a low water mark in the code share...you know, the one that's juuuusssst about to end forever and ever any second now...supposedly?

sailingfun

Perhaps they think they should be the ones running the airline. You keep harping on this issue. Can you explain why it bothers you so much given what is happening in SEA and at AK?

crewdawg

It's a very different color in the CC world. Some are clinging onto the fact that the DPA & CC exit polls show it failing 75/25, as if that's an accurate representation of the pilot group...

They're slaying a SLC rep because the way he voted on the TA. He's telling them that he voted the way his constituents wanted...they just can't believe that that many pilots were for the TA. I have little sympathy for a group of people that are unwilling to see/debate the other side. Anytime someone posts a pro TA view, they just get attacked. They can't get past the fact that items they consider concessionary may not be viewed as a con by others.

It's going to be interesting to watch the meltdown over there when this TA passes. If it passes by > 75%, I predict a few Rachael Maddow style breakdowns on the forum. Tune in when the TA results are released...bring popcorn!

iaflyer

Those CC guys would turn down free beer if ALPA offered it to them.

JamesBond

As is done. I don't give a flying **** about Alaska Airlines anymore. You can be skeptical all you want. That is a dead dog.

None of this answers the question about why it is important to have SEA codified as a hub in our PWA.

As to the rest, I'll ax Heiko sometime.

Denny Crane

If I'm reading section 1.O.13 and 14 correctly, if the DOT/DOJ require a termination of the DAL/AK codeshare and AK agrees, the MEC Chairman can terminate Section 1.O with 60 days notice. Boom! Problem solved.

Denny

gloopy

LOL running the airline?

Um, yeah, OK. By that logic, let's do away with all scope. Let's debut ATL and NYC and give the company unlimited code shares with no restrictions with any airline. 777's at SkyWest because hey, if that's how they want to run the airline. AF/KLM balance set to 0% for us. That way, they can "run the airline" right? :roll eyes:

We are the ones who run the airline WRT pilots the company uses. All of it, and then we allow exceptions. The AS code share abuse was an unwarranted excessive exception and its time to rein it in.

Again, by "what's happening in SEA and at AK" you keep implying that the deal is ending for sure, forever and ever. Great. But why then would the company flat out refuse to even rein in a small portion of their previous high water mark? I'm not talking about forcing the instant complete cancellation of every seat. I'm just referring to protecting say, half, of the market based gains we've made. That would have been a great gesture that would have cost zero dollars now or in the future.

The entire code share deal is 100% iron clad for sure going away right?

I mean, there's no way we'll be in a "gee we didn't think they'd do that" situation down the road? Right?

gloopy

There's a big "can" and an even bigger "IF" in there.

gloopy

If you can't see why its important, then you should have no problem removing any other airport from that protections. Let's debut ATL because hey why not.

The AS code share was insanely one sided, and abused for years. Its a very important issue for domestic narrow body scope. Several years ago getting that protection would have been costly. Today it would be free. Yet the company flat out refuses to even lock in a fraction of the gains we've made there.

Kind of makes you wonder if the code share will really end after all.

JamesBond

I don't wonder at all.

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