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11-17-2016, 05:46 PM

#51

poostain

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Originally Posted by qball

Thought DOJ required it to consummate the merger. Maybe i dreamt it

You are correct. Although I only read it in the article, soooo there is that. Anyway, it said eliminate code share with delta and limit code share with American.

11-17-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

I agree with all that.

So, in light of all that, why would the company flat out refuse to lock in the gains we have at the moment? We're supposedly seconds away from the complete elimination of the code share, but the company says they will go to the mat protecting their option for massive code share abuse in SEA with AS.

Why?

Do you have a source for the highlighted? Not trying to be an ass, I just don't know. But you do pose a good question.

11-17-2016, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase

Oh Elliot! You got trolled by the guy who's had to change his name here 6.9 times. He knows what the address is. He even visits it...likely as much as he visits this place. Maybe he even has multiple logins there...if they all haven't been banned.

No, actually I quit there a long time ago. I asked Ken to delete my profile and haven't been back since. I didn't have the address either. But thanks for playing. Maybe I'll see you there. Oh, popcorn's done.

11-18-2016, 02:06 AM

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Valar Morghulis

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Originally Posted by 404yxl

Where is the complaining about other employees getting a raise. Good for them. I always thought they would get a raise and 3b4 would lift us up if the company decided to drag this on. What this means is we will be getting a 6% raise if we vote No. Seems pretty straight forward.

Before today, the tune was if you vote no, we will not get a raise for a very long time. Now it is, if you vote no, I guess you'll get a 6% raise, but but but there is no way you will ever get anything more than that for a very long time.

Let's not forget our raise alone will be more than many of the noncontract employees make annually. I'm happy for them getting a raise. Would the *****ing be any less if they'd gotten it on Dec 2nd?

11-18-2016, 05:23 AM

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I think I'm done with CC. The few guys over there wanting to reject the contract for anything and everything including what they "interpret" to be a 13% pay bump by voting this down. I think they are going to be mistaken when this thing still overwhelmingly gets voted in. I'm happy for the non contract folks..

11-18-2016, 08:21 AM

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Jodi

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Originally Posted by Scooter432

I don't think they'll be that surprised when it gets voted in, unless the sky is a different color in their world.

11-18-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Do you have a source for the highlighted? Not trying to be an ass, I just don't know. But you do pose a good question.

We asked for it, both last time and this time, and they said no way in heck and dug in their heels. Ask anyone on the NC. That's what I was told by them, both last summer and this summer WRT both TA's.

11-18-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

I don't think they'll be that surprised when it gets voted in, unless the sky is a different color in their world.

I would like to think that they wouldn't be surprised. However this is also why it is important to at least acknowledge and be aware of differing perspectives, even if you don't share them.

There is an infamous story dating back to 1972. Richard Nixon was re-elected in a landslide over George McGovern. Pauline Kael (who died just a few years ago) was a somewhat well-known critic, literary figure, etc. She was a traditional "New York liberal." She was famously quoted after the election as saying "I can't believe Nixon won, because I don't know anyone who voted for him."

Reminds me of the CC crowd, the same small group of folks telling each other what they want to hear and tolerating no dissent. Eventually they get to thinking that the rest of the universe actually thinks in lockstep with them, but in fact their little insular bubble is exactly that--a small, insular bubble that represents nothing more than the members within it.

11-18-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

'them' who?

Both your posts were a little over the top. In the first you used the word 'abuse' (which I did not highlight). In the second, you state that 'them' told you that. Not buying that. Sorry.