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11-16-2016, 12:06 PM
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11-17-2016, 07:41 AM
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11-17-2016, 08:17 AM
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You should probably direct that to the NC. They kinda explained it a little at the SEA roadshow. Don't remember the explanation but the gist of it was being designated a hub is advantageous to the pilot group in the long run even though there is still some Alaska carve out.
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11-17-2016, 08:40 AM
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The way I understand it at the moment, if the TA MEMRAT's, is that we will gain "hub" protections WRT future non Alaska domestic code shares. IOW, its a theoretical gain and nice to have, but all signs point to this never coming into play. I understand if the company didn't want an instant cancellation of 10% of the AS code share in all its forms right now. What I don't get is why they refused to at least lock us in to the status quo gains we've made. Limit them to at least today's levels. That would cost nothing now, and since the VX merger is supposedly a 100% done deal, it would cost nothing in the future. Ever. Yet the company flat out refused. Why?
11-17-2016, 09:45 AM
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You are correct about any future agreements in relation to the SEA "hub". I think that is very important going forward. The Alaska agreement goes away 100% as soon as AS and VA consummate their marriage. I am just speculating that we couldn't get the language removed because of the unknown time line for their hookup. I get the fear that in a downturn we could undo all we've done to build SEA but IMHO that ship has sailed. I expect the language will be easily removed next time we meet at the table or in an LOA, question is....at what cost?
As for the AS/VX merger, where is it written in stone that the merger of a medium sized national with a small LCC will force the end of our part of the code share? Other than maybe a tiny number of routes, I doubt the DOT/DOJ even cares.
11-17-2016, 10:31 AM
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"In stone"? Upper management has said for a couple of years that we are not counting on AS any more. They wouldn't go steady so we want a breakup. Why else would we have been building up SEA? At this point I believe theme. If that makes me naive, so be it, but it doesn't make business sense to build it up as a "hub" to then dismantle it.
11-17-2016, 11:02 AM
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At zero cost. We simply attach it to any of their "concerns" that we're willing to address at any level. It costs them zero dollars. If they refuse, we tell the pilot group that the company has clear intentions of gutting SEA again in the future, because that is the ONLY reason they'd ever want it to remain.
As for the AS/VX merger, where is it written in stone that the merger of a medium sized national with a small LCC will force the end of our part of the code share? Other than maybe a tiny number of routes, I doubt the DOT/DOJ even cares.
As for the AS/VX merger, where is it written in stone that the merger of a medium sized national with a small LCC will force the end of our part of the code share? Other than maybe a tiny number of routes, I doubt the DOT/DOJ even cares.
11-17-2016, 12:19 PM
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"In stone"? Upper management has said for a couple of years that we are not counting on AS any more. They wouldn't go steady so we want a breakup. Why else would we have been building up SEA? At this point I believe theme. If that makes me naive, so be it, but it doesn't make business sense to build it up as a "hub" to then dismantle it.
So, in light of all that, why would the company flat out refuse to lock in the gains we have at the moment? We're supposedly seconds away from the complete elimination of the code share, but the company says they will go to the mat protecting their option for massive code share abuse in SEA with AS.
Why?
11-17-2016, 01:51 PM
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