TED74

I get a sense that the union monitors a lot of stuff, but it's individual pilots who consistently detect contractual violations. It would be nice for all users to have visibility into the IOE/TOE bucket of trips as they flow in and out of open time.

sailingfun

There is a added feature that allows you to track anybtrip from creation to flight in DBMS. In addition the trips would show up in daily trip coverage.

Vincent Chase

So don't take offense, Mr/Ms TAprocon, but...
This looks like a bit of a sales job. You mention 23.m.4 and then present a really nice looking powerpoint-esque slide, complete with sarcasm (forget already?)...yet you fail to explain HOW this change can be used.

If somebody was new to the company, and had no experience with this OE trip pull game, it might look to them like under the current contract, the company can pull ANY trip on the 25th. With the proposal at hand, they can only pull a very specific type of trip, but they can do that each PCS cycle (i.e. 4x per day). No big deal, right? At least that's what your really swanky chart seems to indicate.

Soooo, should we explain how the PCS cycle can make it more difficult under this TA than under the current contract to catch trips in open time before they're pulled, or should we just let everyone figure it out themselves by reading between your flowcharts and snark?

Don't get me wrong...I think we deserve to know all the facts.
If you present yourself as an unbiased source, make sure you explain how this change affects us. Most of us are smart enough to know that the company doesn't ask for changes to status quo unless it benefits them. This item obviously does WRT the training cycle. Goody goody for them. But it also affects a lot of pilots who are currently able to make a better living off the rules that stand today.

Just saying.

gloopy

I have to agree with this part. I think this will be something that's very easy to keep track of.

3 green

I disagree. The company would have to tell the union which trips were used for IOE, otherwise it would be very difficult to track especially if it doesn't show in the daily trip coverage that a trip was removed for IOE. The company can pull LCA from reserve and give them an IOE trip. May be a real good deal for junior LCA to bid reserve then get all their trips assigned for IOE as the month progresses(which could technically violate seniority among other reserve pilots).

sailingfun

Unlike almost any other airline DALPA has direct access to the companies computers for scheduling at the same level a supervisor has. They can see and track anything that crew scheds does.

gloopy

What Sailing said, plus OE trips are coded all over the place, as are the pilots receiving them. It will be very easy to track by DALPA. Not to mention 13,500 pilots scouring open time all the time and wondering where trips went.

This is certainly a nominal concession from current book, but it appears its a minor one and WAY better than the original 2015 language.