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Old 09-28-2016, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88
Oh I hope so. Remember, nothing is to good for you guys so aim high and let's do this soon!

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Don't get too excited Sparky. If history is any indicator, there will not be anything to snap up to.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88
Oh I hope so. Remember, nothing is to good for you guys so aim high and let's do this soon!

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Don't get too excited Sparky. If history is any indicator, there will not be anything to snap up to.
This is much ado about nothing. TA1 had poison pills in sick leave, scope, profit sharing, and OE bidding. They mitigated the OE bidding to a palatable level but the other 3 are still there. If it takes 1 year per poison pill, expect to see a ratified contract in 3 years.
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Old 09-28-2016, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88
Oh I hope so. Remember, nothing is to good for you guys so aim high and let's do this soon!

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Thanks for the support, but the notion of urgency is of no help to us. It could be a long road ahead. Striking a concessionary deal quickly, just to "gottir done" would be foolish.
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Old 09-28-2016, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
They mitigated the OE bidding to a palatable level
I think you need to re-read that. It's arguably worse....
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:13 PM
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I think you need to re-read that. It's arguably worse....
I disagree. It's almost benign in the AIP form.

Sick and VB are the ones that could legitimately have QOL impacts, and sick has been targeted to be renegotiated (it's already far better than the previous 2015 idiocy).
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:24 PM
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If we get a TA in the next few weeks, it will pass. The alternative is something years from now. And most likely in a less profitable scenario. Cards we're dealt.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:43 PM
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If we get a TA in the next few weeks, it will pass. The alternative is something years from now. And most likely in a less profitable scenario. Cards we're dealt.
You are right about one thing, the card we're dealt. We need to reshuffle.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
If we get a TA in the next few weeks, it will pass. The alternative is something years from now. And most likely in a less profitable scenario. Cards we're dealt.
I have decades left. I can wait a couple of years to not accept a bag of crap with a few dollars staples to the outside.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:03 AM
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I have decades left. I can wait a couple of years to not accept a bag of crap with a few dollars staples to the outside.
History says you can wait but in the end you will get the same basic contract. It just happens years later. Delta in general got their contracts done close to on time. Other airlines fought for years almost every contract. In the end they would sign a agreement within 1% or 2 % of what they could have had near the amendable date. Sometimes they signed for less like AMR's prior contract. The lifetime loss of earnings doing that is staggering even if the contract you sign may be industry leading.
Google and read as much as you can on the RLA and NMB and their philosophy on controlling negotiations.
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History says you can wait but in the end you will get the same basic contract. It just happens years later. Delta in general got their contracts done close to on time. Other airlines fought for years almost every contract. In the end they would sign a agreement within 1% or 2 % of what they could have had near the amendable date. Sometimes they signed for less like AMR's prior contract. The lifetime loss of earnings doing that is staggering even if the contract you sign may be industry leading.
Google and read as much as you can on the RLA and NMB and their philosophy on controlling negotiations.
Sometimes I think you guys can't comprehend that it's not just about the money. And when you respond with "ok hotshot, what is it then", well you sort of just proved my point. No concessions, no QOL givebacks, the company doesn't need it, and you are not stepping on my back for your quick payday before you leave. Sorry
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