Negotiation Rumors
10-03-2016, 02:29 PM
#111
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Whatever. It is a TA no matter what you want to call it.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
10-03-2016, 02:29 PM
#112
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My understanding is that they can only pull up to 15% of trips in open time that are open in both seats. How often does that happen? Occasionally, but very occasionally. That makes this issue--IF I understand it correctly, and the contractual language will be available soon--not a big deal at all.
10-03-2016, 02:41 PM
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Ummmmm....that would be not so good advice seeing as LAX, SEA and SLC do not have Mad Dog categories. At least bid the 737 which is in those 3 domiciles...assuming a 2 year seat freeze will also apply to new hires if the AIP is ratified.
10-03-2016, 02:44 PM
#114
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So if you get an equipment that your desired base has (NY has every fleet type you could bid anyways), you could get stuck for 2 years while junior pilots get an airplane in your desired base and you are unable to bid it and can't transfer in on your current aircraft because it goes senior there.
Seems like a craptastic situation to put a new hire in by potentially getting them stuck in NY.
If you get 757 NY, you can't bid into LAX for 2 years if the 757 has no openings, even though you could potential hold 75% or better 717.
Would have to see the language to know for sure.
Seems like a craptastic situation to put a new hire in by potentially getting them stuck in NY.
If you get 757 NY, you can't bid into LAX for 2 years if the 757 has no openings, even though you could potential hold 75% or better 717.
Would have to see the language to know for sure.
10-03-2016, 02:44 PM
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Whatever. It is a TA no matter what you want to call it.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
10-03-2016, 03:09 PM
#116
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That is how LUV uses the terms - AIP for the agreement brought by the NC to the MC and TA for the agreement that comes out of the MEC for MEMRAT. All semantics in the sense that it is all tentative until ratified.
10-03-2016, 03:10 PM
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10-03-2016, 03:11 PM
#118
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Whatever. It is a TA no matter what you want to call it.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
Here's the opening sentence of Donatelli's June 4, 2015 letter to all pilots:
"This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines."
But if you insist on calling it an AIP, which is brand new made up language by JM, then knock yourself out.
The real issue is we don't have final language. But hey, no problem, what could possibly go wrong.
You are correct - we don't have final language but you know what - voting hasn't opened yet either so it really is not a problem.................yet.
It is a process - it still has to go through the MEC, which I assume it will and hopefully we will have firm language before MEMORY RAT starts.
Finally - I agree with you that Chairman Donatelli made a huge mistake trying to oversell the last TA - How did that turn out?
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 10-03-2016 at 05:53 PM.
10-03-2016, 03:12 PM
#119
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It is a slight concession, but if I understand it correctly, all you have to do is bid the Maddog (which is usually available) and then you can move out to LAX, SEA, SLC after a year.
I would have preferred to exchange the new seat lock for Delta covering the hotels during new hire training. If you take something from the new hires, then you should give something back.
I would have preferred to exchange the new seat lock for Delta covering the hotels during new hire training. If you take something from the new hires, then you should give something back.
10-03-2016, 03:16 PM
#120
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June 4, 2015
Dear Fellow Pilot,
This afternoon, the Delta MEC Negotiating Committee successfully reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Delta Air Lines.
This agreement represents the culmination of tremendous effort on your behalf. We have been engaged in negotiation preparation and execution for a full year, with incredible dedication from our negotiators, professional staff, subject matter experts and your elected representatives.
As a function of process within the Delta MEC Policy Manual, your elected representatives will now have TA language in their possession for seven days. We will meet, and if they approve the agreement, it will be made available to the Delta pilots for membership ratification.
I understand the desire by many to seek details of the agreement in advance, but I ask that you allow your elected leadership the ability to fully study and understand the agreement. It’s a critical step in this time-honored process of Section 6 negotiations. And if they approve this agreement, you will receive full details and language prior to voting. This will also come in the form of Negotiator Notepads, roadshows and webinars. Your elected local council representatives and Pilot-to-Pilot volunteers will be in pilot lounges to answer questions, and provide information to each of you personally. In short, you will have all the facts prior to casting your vote.
If the MEC approves the tentative agreement, it is incumbent on you to take the time needed to evaluate the agreement in its entirety. It is also important that every one of you take the time to vote. It is your responsibility to your profession and your families to participate in our process.
Fraternally,
Captain Mike Donatelli
Delta MEC Chairman
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