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09-24-2016, 01:25 PM

#31

Dharma

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Originally Posted by 404yxl

Nice lie.

Southwest got full retro years after they started their negotiations. Full retro for everyone, retired, separated, deceased. Fully including 401K match and Profit Sharing.

They did? Their upfront pay raise was 15% and they got the full 15% retro back to the original amendable date? Is that what you are saying 404?

Because if it is, you are wrong.

Or are you saying they got an average of 3% per year?

09-24-2016, 02:33 PM

#32

NWA320pilot

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Originally Posted by Dharma

Just saw the SWA TA last night, FULL retro to amendable date is correct.

09-24-2016, 02:47 PM

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JamesBond

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

Still an incredible FAIL.

Industry average pay for concessions, there is nothing RESORATIVE about that.

I thought the money isn't as important.

09-24-2016, 02:57 PM

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OldFlyGuy

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Just saw the SWA TA last night, FULL retro to amendable date is correct.

This is a silly pot to be stirring, but I think you completely mis read the deal. OFG

09-24-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy

This is a silly pot to be stirring, but I think you completely mis read the deal. OFG

Actually it isn't silly at all. This is the kind of misinformation that takes on a life of it's own in the interwebs. Say it enough times and people start believing it.

09-24-2016, 05:06 PM

#36

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I thought the money isn't as important.

You are correct, QOL gives and all you get is industry average pay rates. If I am going to settle for industry average pay rates (which is what I expected) during years of consecutive record breaking profits I would need a whole lot more QOL gains. Vacation weeks and increased value, training pay, more 2x pay opportunity, sick leave that is unquestioned, medical coverage that costs me significantly less, higher DC, profit sharing paid quarterly, better trip mix, more ability to drop trips, 2 summer days off back, better JV ratios etc.

Last edited by notEnuf; 09-24-2016 at 05:31 PM.

09-24-2016, 05:16 PM

#37

Yoohoo1

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Just saw the SWA TA last night, FULL retro to amendable date is correct.

SWAPA may say it's full retro. But i think everyone over there knows it is not DOS pay rates applied to the four years back to the amendable date. Not even close.

09-24-2016, 05:47 PM

#38

Dharma

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Just saw the SWA TA last night, FULL retro to amendable date is correct.

SWA got 15% full retro for the 3 or 4 years they were negotiating? Could you quote the language in the agreement for me?

09-24-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FL370esq

Looks like Malone is going to reach out to the NMB and try to get talks started again. Probably our last attempt to save full retro. Now we get to see how much the company wants a deal. Should be interesting.

Full retro will be had after a legal strike, and possibly merely from the cooling off period for one. You'd be surprised how cheap it will be compared to a total and complete stoppage. Remember the "computer meltdown"? Multiply that by months and see how much they save

09-24-2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma

SWA got 15% full retro for the 3 or 4 years they were negotiating? Could you quote the language in the agreement for me?

They only got COLA retro, but they got years of pre-retro while their 737 pilots were making (way) more than our wide body pilots. True story.

They didn't get 4 years of DOS retro because they never would have gotten nearly as big a raise 4 years ago regardless.

If we keep getting blown by and end up getting a 30% raise a couple years from now, I'd still be fine with 2016 earnings getting around 18% retro because that's about what we'd be getting anyway. Future years may be higher however.

They cannot be rewarded for abusing the RLA demanding concessions during periods of historic profits so unbelievably high they literally resorted to burning it like a pile of autumn leaves.