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09-24-2016, 10:52 AM

#21

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by 404yxl

Nice lie.

Southwest got full retro years after they started their negotiations. Full retro for everyone, retired, separated, deceased. Fully including 401K match and Profit Sharing.

3% or so.

09-24-2016, 11:12 AM

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Trip7

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Originally Posted by TED74

Those :15 will add up quickly. Our youngest voters will net almost $25 EXTRA every month after taxes! I'm not sure they even need to read the other sections with those gains in vacation. That kind of generosity will yield an instant YES, right?

18/3/3/3 adds quickly as well. Nice 18% retro check, and 21% higher pay rates on 1/1/17. No hits to QOL. Heck you can work 20% less and make the same pay. Grab an umbrella....

09-24-2016, 11:15 AM

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DALMD88FO

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Originally Posted by Trip7

18/3/3/3 adds quickly as well. Nice 18% retro check, and 21% higher pay rates on 1/1/17. No hits to QOL. Heck you can work 20% less and make the same pay. Grab an umbrella....

I agree, now you need to get the company to agree. So far the highest they've gone, that has been published, is 16.5

09-24-2016, 11:40 AM

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tunes

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how about we don't give a 4th year. that's asinine with the staffing issues we are about to hit

09-24-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip7

18/3/3/3 adds quickly as well. Nice 18% retro check, and 21% higher pay rates on 1/1/17. No hits to QOL. Heck you can work 20% less and make the same pay. Grab an umbrella....

No hits to QOL. That says it all.

You are the weakest link.

09-24-2016, 12:00 PM

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notEnuf

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Originally Posted by Trip7

18/3/3/3 adds quickly as well. Nice 18% retro check, and 21% higher pay rates on 1/1/17. No hits to QOL. Heck you can work 20% less and make the same pay. Grab an umbrella....

Still an incredible FAIL.

Industry average pay for concessions, there is nothing RESORATIVE about that.

09-24-2016, 12:24 PM

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FL370esq

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Originally Posted by tunes

how about we don't give a 4th year. that's asinine with the staffing issues we are about to hit

Sounds good but won't happen if we retro the 18% to 1/1/2016 because the company will want a few years out of these Section 6 negotiations. The 4 year deal on paper ends up being a 3 year deal in reality based on retro back to 1/1/2016. I say 3 year deal because if we did get an overall AIP by early October, with all of the timelines and review periods (MEC and members at large), MEMRAT wouldn't close until sometime in December and that will have killed off year one of the agreement.

09-24-2016, 12:47 PM

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GivemeVSP

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Originally Posted by tunes

how about we don't give a 4th year. that's asinine with the staffing issues we are about to hit

Why be in such a hurry to get back to the concession stand? We should make this a 30 year deal to preserve whatever is left outside of pay rates.

09-24-2016, 12:56 PM

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tunes

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Originally Posted by GivemeVSP

Why be in such a hurry to get back to the concession stand? We should make this a 30 year deal to preserve whatever is left outside of pay rates.

valid point

09-24-2016, 01:01 PM

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boog123

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Originally Posted by Trip7

. No hits to QOL.

I guess more RJ's, More JV job loss, LCA trip pulls (good luck changing your schedule now) VB and more sick leave hassles are QOL items. Yeah, really kicking butt.

Congrats