gloopy

No more DC-9 sized RJ's. The concession stand is closed.

JamesBond

The populations of cities is much bigger than when the DC9 was a worthwhile airframe. But ladies and gentlemen, Gloopy has spoken. Glad you have defined 'concessions' for us.

notEnuf

"The populations of cities?" So what does that mean? Detroit is 700,000 now down from 2,000,000. What does that have to do with increased air travel? The planet is getting more crowded or hadn't you heard?

JamesBond

Think it through. Stop picking up nickels.

gzsg

Surrender now!!

JamesBond

fixed it for you

notEnuf

Sorry, you lost me. The population comment seems odd to me. If you mean 50s are no longer adequate and we need bigger planes I'm not buying that they must be 76s operated by DCI. We have the most diverse fleet and can target our seats in any market nicely. That was RA's answer to the analyst's question "why are you buying so many different types?"

China's population is growing but we are retiring 747s without a replacement that has nearly as many seats. London, Paris, and Amsterdam are growing too. We still have the smallest average gauge international fleet. So are Appleton, WI and Norfolk, VA and Columbus, OH. All former RJ cities now with more mainline. There are plenty more.

These are not needed in the fleet mix but they are needed to make DCI operators viable.

JamesBond

I don't GAF about DCI. They are the nickels. But to address the point, if one were to start an airline from scratch today, the DC9 would be a regional airplane for precisely the reason you mentioned. The 76s are going to develop the markets that are tomorrow's Appleton, etc etc. They are big enough for 76s which are efficient, but probably not mainline. Frequency is still king.

Wrt the China comment, all I can say is this: yeah the whales are going away because they are inefficient. I hate to see them go too, but the fact is that 4 engine airplanes are dinosaurs. With them will die NRT hubbing and spoking. The future is point to point US to deep China. 350/330NEO and 787s. jmho.


Oh and CMH hasn't been a DCI city for 20 years or more.
So let's get our panties all wadded over a few 76 seat RJs. Great idea. They will probably pull 50s out of the desert as a result. just a guess.

notEnuf

50s out of the desert? Sure you didn't mean 57s. That's still an empty threat with staffing at DCI and inefficient etc. Brand distinction is our business focus.

The point is Delta brand flying, that needs to be protected as Delta outsourcers. Starting an airline today would use long range narrow bodies on the small side. We order A350-900s as whale replacements, our subsidiary orders A350-1000s. Brand scope is the issue, both ends.

Haven't been to CMH in awhile but last time I was there we were surrounded by 3 E jets and the only mainline.

Cogf16

it's called a negotiation. Both sides don't get EVEYTHING they want but must compromise to get a deal. Each side has priorities and obviously, the company's is more RJ's and ours is pay, retaining PS and JV. Again, there is a market for 50 seat jets, they're just not economically viable anymore. If we replace 125 small jets with 50 bigger, small jets,(with BH protections), isn't that a good thing? Not to mention, what Delta pilot wants to fly a 76 seat jet for C scale wages???