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12-05-2016, 03:01 PM
#423
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Also, what if senior pilots don't want the seat? If they have no interest to voluntarily bid it, they shouldn't be pay protected.
12-05-2016, 03:21 PM
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Guys that can hold, say, 7ERB that stay as a 73NB for seniority reasons can hold a better paying position also, but sure aren't pay protected for it. Not going to apply to A positions either. Seniority is a two way street.
12-05-2016, 03:36 PM
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I should have been clearer and said someone who bids and is awarded/should have been awarded but wasn't soley for the FAR reason.
What did UAL do back in the mid 90s when they had F/Os who didn't qualify for an ATP but were awarded B777 F/O slots because they had the seniority to do so? (I know it happened, just don't recall the answer).
12-05-2016, 03:53 PM
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Now, I'm not saying the company should only hire those with the FAR time because that eliminates direct-hire military and corporate pilots. If we want a seniority-based system, maybe this becomes the cost of business? However, I still don't think this will play out as an issue. I would bet the company lifts F/O seat freezes before we ever see an off-the-street Captain.
12-05-2016, 03:58 PM
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I did before I posted it. As FL370esq also explained the company does have control over who they hire and only hiring 121 guys that meet this requirement means foregoing the military et al types. So it's a catch 22. If those types don't want to be by passed then they need to go get that time elsewhere first. But we know that won't happen.
Bottom line, no one is pay protected because the company doesn't want to figure out who can hold an A seat but doesn't want to bid it. It's a logistical nightmare. No matter how much one may think it's the way the "seniority system" should work, it won't happen.
But they are not FAR eligible. End of story and the is what the company will say.
Bottom line, no one is pay protected because the company doesn't want to figure out who can hold an A seat but doesn't want to bid it. It's a logistical nightmare. No matter how much one may think it's the way the "seniority system" should work, it won't happen.
But they are not FAR eligible. End of story and the is what the company will say.
12-05-2016, 03:59 PM
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Nope...but they also didn't bid 7ERB.
I should have been clearer and said someone who bids and is awarded/should have been awarded but wasn't soley for the FAR reason.
What did UAL do back in the mid 90s when they had F/Os who didn't qualify for an ATP but were awarded B777 F/O slots because they had the seniority to do so? (I know it happened, just don't recall the answer).
I should have been clearer and said someone who bids and is awarded/should have been awarded but wasn't soley for the FAR reason.
What did UAL do back in the mid 90s when they had F/Os who didn't qualify for an ATP but were awarded B777 F/O slots because they had the seniority to do so? (I know it happened, just don't recall the answer).
12-05-2016, 04:17 PM
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No because they can't legally occupy that seat
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