DAL Class drops
11-11-2016, 01:01 AM
#371
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I expect lots of 1st leg deadheads for the NY base in the coming future.... Are we starting to see some of the motivation for virtual basing now???
11-11-2016, 06:21 AM
#372
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For someone who is most likely missing the big picture, can someone please explain the downside to virtual bases? From the sounds of it, it seems as it would be helpful for commuters, but I'm sure I am missing something. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not advocating one way or the other, I am just genuinely curious as to what the downside would be.
11-11-2016, 06:25 AM
#373
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For someone who is most likely missing the big picture, can someone please explain the downside to virtual bases? From the sounds of it, it seems as it would be helpful for commuters, but I'm sure I am missing something. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not advocating one way or the other, I am just genuinely curious as to what the downside would be.
11-11-2016, 06:29 AM
#374
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For someone who is most likely missing the big picture, can someone please explain the downside to virtual bases? From the sounds of it, it seems as it would be helpful for commuters, but I'm sure I am missing something. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not advocating one way or the other, I am just genuinely curious as to what the downside would be.
Commuters who are granted the VB likely benefit, but commuters who are not could also lose bid package choices, as well as dead heads from which they used to be able to deviate.
Complex, but those are some possible negatives I can think of.
11-11-2016, 06:46 AM
#375
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What helps one group often affects another negatively. VB non-participants fear a negative effect on the bid package they will have available to them. Efficiencies gained by the company generally reduce the number of pilots required. Layovers in VB bases could be reduced, so those living there would lose paid overnights at home. Seniority in VBs is a bit of an unknown, and it's possible that bidders would be bidding "in the blind", leaving a known quantity seniority in their base for an unknown in the VB.
Commuters who are granted the VB likely benefit, but commuters who are not could also lose bid package choices, as well as dead heads from which they used to be able to deviate.
Complex, but those are some possible negatives I can think of.
Commuters who are granted the VB likely benefit, but commuters who are not could also lose bid package choices, as well as dead heads from which they used to be able to deviate.
Complex, but those are some possible negatives I can think of.
11-11-2016, 07:04 AM
#376
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Thanks guys. I guess I've never seen a virtual base, and have no clue how it works. Those points are definitely concerning. I guess it's all hypothetical at this point. I'm assuming, and hoping, that that's the worst case scenario. Hopefully it doesn't play out too bad, and improves the quality of life for a few guys in the process.
11-11-2016, 07:15 AM
#377
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Thanks guys. I guess I've never seen a virtual base, and have no clue how it works. Those points are definitely concerning. I guess it's all hypothetical at this point. I'm assuming, and hoping, that that's the worst case scenario. Hopefully it doesn't play out too bad, and improves the quality of life for a few guys in the process.
It will harm every pilot that doesn't participate since they will have no idea how to judge what base, what airplane, will get what flying, in any sort of reasonable fashion.
Right now a pilot could bid off any seat lock into a new category. They will not be able to do that here.
11-11-2016, 07:19 AM
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Pilots currently can get DH's to their home, paid, and then per diem to do daytrips out of their home, because it is a 4 day from another base. This would not help them.
11-11-2016, 07:30 AM
#380
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It will only help the senior pilots, who commute who will now get positive space to work instead of nonrevving and hotels on each end of every pairing. Pilots who live in the VB only lose out, since they no longer get a paid DH to where they already are and now lose per diem they were getting effectively doing daytrips from their home.
It will harm every pilot that doesn't participate since they will have no idea how to judge what base, what airplane, will get what flying, in any sort of reasonable fashion
It will harm every pilot that doesn't participate since they will have no idea how to judge what base, what airplane, will get what flying, in any sort of reasonable fashion
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