DAL Class drops
10-23-2017, 04:58 PM
#1652
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Position: DAL 330
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Wrong. First, you are partially correct, there may be no posted vacancies, but if someone bids out that creates a vacancy. Normal rules apply to filling that vacancy. Second, you can control seniority in a category on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
Scoop
10-24-2017, 03:36 AM
#1653
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
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You have to log in and you should see it..It was basically all 88's. The schedules are so bad on the 88's now with all 4 day trips, and an aircraft that is being phased out that everyone is leaving it.. I suspect it will be almost all 88's in the class drops for a long time.
10-24-2017, 06:45 AM
#1655
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10-24-2017, 09:02 AM
#1656
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Wrong. First, you are partially correct, there may be no posted vacancies, but if someone bids out that creates a vacancy. Normal rules apply to filling that vacancy. Second, you can control seniority in a category on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
Be very careful with this. Unfilled spots are considered as going to new hires and count towards the percentage.
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10-24-2017, 10:50 AM
#1657
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: A330 FO
Posts: 717
.... Second, you can control seniority in a category on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
If you only want to stay in your present category at say 50%, then you put in a bid for your current category at 50%. If you will not meet that restriction, the computer goes down to your next choice which may be same equipment at a different base, or different equipment at your current base. I can absolutely control my relative seniority on an AE.
And the selection regarding 'line holder' is based on the company's best guess at the time of the award based on whatever the tea leaves or divination bones say staffing levels will require. (see the Scheduling Reference Handbook pg. 102)
10-25-2017, 07:53 AM
#1658
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CA
Posts: 94
In regards to Flying magazines’s AA pilot, to be fair he did say it was a TDY to MIA. TDYs are made by the company and awarded in seniority order. I don’t see how this screws the junior pilots, and it’s not the same thing as a pure mutual base swap. Also TDYs are typically one month only, a mutual base swap is permanent.
I agree with a post later in the thread. You want NYC in the good times then suffer through the bad. If AEs are posted with a frequency that would allow this movement then fine, but I'm against a consistent/annual TDY.
I could come on board with a TDY that had to be voted on by the MEC EVERY TIME in order to verify they are not using it as a regular event. Or, possibly no more than 2 in a given category in a rolling 18 month cycle without a vote... IDK, just something more than a carte blanche ability to use the TDY in lieu of an AE.
IMHO
10-25-2017, 08:07 AM
#1659
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I’m totally against allowing the company to TDY. They could use it year around to tweak categories every month. They could grow categories in Atlanta then TDY throughout the year to take care of any staffing problems. Say goodbye to at least half the green slips.....
Denny
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10-25-2017, 01:21 PM
#1660
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I’m totally against allowing the company to TDY. They could use it year around to tweak categories every month. They could grow categories in Atlanta then TDY throughout the year to take care of any staffing problems. Say goodbye to at least half the green slips.....
Denny
Denny
Base trades on the other hand have no affect on staffing so they can't be used against us.
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