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Old 06-20-2017, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
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And requires a couple more total pilots at the airline.
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Old 06-20-2017, 12:20 PM
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Different cockpit setup. IMO it would be asinine to try and make it a mixed fleet. Unless they upgraded the ER, which will never happen.
But somehow, UAL does it without a problem. Who knows really?
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Old 06-20-2017, 01:12 PM
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When you say "UAL does it with out a problem" have you seen UAL balance sheet?
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Old 06-20-2017, 01:27 PM
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When you say "UAL does it with out a problem" have you seen UAL balance sheet?
I haven't. Not even sure how that figures into the discussion. A very good friend who works over there and flies all of them. Not a problem from a pilot point of view. Don't be negative. We're all just talking.
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Old 06-20-2017, 01:29 PM
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I don't. Sorry. Maybe someone else can chime in with that info. UAL has them all combined with differences training.
No worries, thanks
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Old 06-20-2017, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Different cockpit setup. IMO it would be asinine to try and make it a mixed fleet. Unless they upgraded the ER, which will never happen.
Both answers make perfect sense, thanks!
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Old 06-20-2017, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
Thanks! Any idea why the 767-400 is separate?
The biggest difference is instrumentation.

The 7ER is not considered a 'glass cockpit' (even though it has glass attitude and nav screens) since it still uses round-dial airspeed and altimeter (plus others).

The 767-400 has the typical 'glass cockpit' with the speed tapes and altitude tapes on the sides of the PFD.

Having gone back and forth, I can see the pros and cons to having the separate fleet designators.
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Old 06-20-2017, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
The biggest difference is instrumentation.

The 7ER is not considered a 'glass cockpit' (even though it has glass attitude and nav screens) since it still uses round-dial airspeed and altimeter (plus others).

The 767-400 has the typical 'glass cockpit' with the speed tapes and altitude tapes on the sides of the PFD.

Having gone back and forth, I can see the pros and cons to having the separate fleet designators.
AAL has both panels in their 7ER fleet. We would fly one leg on one panel and the next on the other panel. Wasn't really a big deal.
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Old 06-20-2017, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
The biggest difference is instrumentation.

The 7ER is not considered a 'glass cockpit' (even though it has glass attitude and nav screens) since it still uses round-dial airspeed and altimeter (plus others).

The 767-400 has the typical 'glass cockpit' with the speed tapes and altitude tapes on the sides of the PFD.

Having gone back and forth, I can see the pros and cons to having the separate fleet designators.
That makes sense, thanks!
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
That makes sense, thanks!
None of what has been posted is the real reason. When the 767-400 was placed into service it was a replacement for the L1011 domestic aircraft. That L1011 domestic category was the retirement aircraft for the majority of pilots. With the retirement system in place at the time combining it with the 757/767 would have resulted in a significant reduction in FAE's.
The only attempt with the combining the 767-400 was with the 777. The company never followed through on that because with the shift if the airframe to international it's a very efficient category with low credit.
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