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08-12-2016, 06:47 PM
#31
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Totally agree Cog!
A few more big rj's with less block hour and no more 50 seaters....neah!
No more 270 hour PTO disguised as sick....who cares..?.(yeah them!)
18,5,5 with no change to PS...Gold!
100% retro....
Company cannot legally sign a contract with JV out of balance....Fix it....
75 % PASS easily!
Sam and Scott are fighting FOR you Jerry.....It's the anti-mec who's stalling!
OUT!
A few more big rj's with less block hour and no more 50 seaters....neah!
No more 270 hour PTO disguised as sick....who cares..?.(yeah them!)
18,5,5 with no change to PS...Gold!
100% retro....
Company cannot legally sign a contract with JV out of balance....Fix it....
75 % PASS easily!
Sam and Scott are fighting FOR you Jerry.....It's the anti-mec who's stalling!
OUT!
08-12-2016, 07:40 PM
#32
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Its always fun trying to figure out the asterisks.
Anyway, it appears the majority in the MEC has realigned the negotiators direction. We will see what windage and deflection do to it. I'm glad they have begun to exert their influence.
Anyway, it appears the majority in the MEC has realigned the negotiators direction. We will see what windage and deflection do to it. I'm glad they have begun to exert their influence.
Last edited by Scoop; 08-13-2016 at 05:05 PM.
08-13-2016, 09:54 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 321
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
Last edited by Valar Morghulis; 08-13-2016 at 10:07 AM.
08-13-2016, 10:09 AM
#34
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
What you have are a group of new Reps who were elected by their angry internet friends, primarily on a "kick the bums out we'll show em'" ticket who are now bumping into the reality of inconvenient math that refutes their tough guy claims and clearly demonstrates that TVM with a good possibility of retro and a little less now is worth close to twice as much a year later. My contacts say the NC folloed MEC direction, but now the goalposts are being moved by influence of the vocal fringe. Screw the rest of us.
The company can afford full restoration and then some.
08-13-2016, 10:55 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
What you have are a group of new Reps who were elected by their angry internet friends, primarily on a "kick the bums out we'll show em'" ticket who are now bumping into the reality of inconvenient math that refutes their tough guy claims and clearly demonstrates that TVM with a good possibility of retro and a little less now is worth close to twice as much a year later. My contacts say the NC followed MEC direction, but now the goalposts are being moved by influence of the vocal fringe. Screw the rest of us.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
08-13-2016, 11:03 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 845
What you have are a group of new Reps who were elected by their angry internet friends, primarily on a "kick the bums out we'll show em'" ticket who are now bumping into the reality of inconvenient math that refutes their tough guy claims and clearly demonstrates that TVM with a good possibility of retro and a little less now is worth close to twice as much a year later. My contacts say the NC followed MEC direction, but now the goalposts are being moved by influence of the vocal fringe. Screw the rest of us.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
08-13-2016, 11:34 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,456
What you have are a group of new Reps who were elected by their angry internet friends, primarily on a "kick the bums out we'll show em'" ticket who are now bumping into the reality of inconvenient math that refutes their tough guy claims and clearly demonstrates that TVM with a good possibility of retro and a little less now is worth close to twice as much a year later. My contacts say the NC followed MEC direction, but now the goalposts are being moved by influence of the vocal fringe. Screw the rest of us.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
The money will come, "industry leading" pay rates are a given at this point.
08-13-2016, 12:20 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 289
What you have are a group of new Reps who were elected by their angry internet friends, primarily on a "kick the bums out we'll show em'" ticket who are now bumping into the reality of inconvenient math that refutes their tough guy claims and clearly demonstrates that TVM with a good possibility of retro and a little less now is worth close to twice as much a year later. My contacts say the NC followed MEC direction, but now the goalposts are being moved by influence of the vocal fringe. Screw the rest of us.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
Instead they would rather throw the entire pilot group under the bus than stand up in the crew room and take the heat from the mob that elected them. Almost as bad are a few experienced Reps who should know better, that by participating in the shutting down of open dialogue on a historic level, allowed themselves and the MEC to be held hostage to these same Reps. Had the debate occurred in open there might have been the ability for some with reservations to speak up and possibly reach consensus to a possibly different outcome.
The real problem is the wave of support that these new Reps rode into office on will diminish as this drags out and when the same support starts getting impatient for a deal they will realize the Reps they elected and used their pressure on to stay tough have now likely locked them out of a more valuable deal than they could of had earlier.
I guess then they can Recall, rinse, repeat.
I know the it's just business/TVM crowd will chime in, but where do you draw the line? I love my child very much, BUT there is this very enthusiastic black market human trafficker beating down the door. I don't want to sell, but eventually the price will get to a point that I can't turn it down. WRONG!!! NOT going to happen. See what I mean?
In this environment, to be giving anything is absurd.
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