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08-12-2016, 01:51 PM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Power top
Posts: 2,960
I'll agree with H50 as well. It might work in reverse when GOL/Trainer/VA (and whatever else) lose money, but I see your point. It's galling to think that the company invests money we help them earn, into other entities, and we might not benefit.
I don't have qualms about monetizing the low end of PS, but not having upside protection is a non-starter. In theory, you could have the best of both worlds by monetizing the low end, and keeping the upper-end, but we'd be arguing for years about what's a raise, and what isn't. At this juncture, if you're looking for consensus so we can move out of our own way, I think PS must be mostly intact.
I don't have qualms about monetizing the low end of PS, but not having upside protection is a non-starter. In theory, you could have the best of both worlds by monetizing the low end, and keeping the upper-end, but we'd be arguing for years about what's a raise, and what isn't. At this juncture, if you're looking for consensus so we can move out of our own way, I think PS must be mostly intact.
08-12-2016, 03:12 PM
#22
Where could U B tomorrow?
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Contract Awareness Bulletins were being prepared at that time to inform all of the pilots at the same time. They were distributed on July 14 and 27. He was spot on accurate and completely truthful. But some folks only like to hear only what they want to hear.
The result was a negotiations stalemate . . . which some could see as stalling. (Is any of this sounding familiar?)
Fortunately, the PWA provided a process which resulted in the June arbitration hearing. We will know where the dot is when the (single) arbitrator provides his ruling.
08-12-2016, 03:16 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 341
Sm wouldnt want to dissapoint his old boss from his furlough days. These guys are are all sell outs and corrupt. Purge alpa before the vampires suck us dry.
08-12-2016, 03:31 PM
#24
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
I'll go out on a limb here and say 18/5/5 (if not diluted by significant PS changes) and improvements in other areas (vacation/training pay and DC) would probably pass, even with a few "gives". Especially if its with full retro. Devils in the details though. FIRE AWAY
08-12-2016, 03:42 PM
#25
Bye Bye Maddog!
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Movin' On UP........
Posts: 560
Totally agree Cog!
A few more big rj's with less block hour and no more 50 seaters....neah!
No more 270 hour PTO disguised as sick....who cares..?.(yeah them!)
18,5,5 with no change to PS...Gold!
100% retro....
Company cannot legally sign a contract with JV out of balance....Fix it....
75 % PASS easily!
Sam and Scott are fighting FOR you Jerry.....It's the anti-mec who's stalling!
OUT!
A few more big rj's with less block hour and no more 50 seaters....neah!
No more 270 hour PTO disguised as sick....who cares..?.(yeah them!)
18,5,5 with no change to PS...Gold!
100% retro....
Company cannot legally sign a contract with JV out of balance....Fix it....
75 % PASS easily!
Sam and Scott are fighting FOR you Jerry.....It's the anti-mec who's stalling!
OUT!
08-12-2016, 04:22 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,456
Actually, not stalling at all.
Contract Awareness Bulletins were being prepared at that time to inform all of the pilots at the same time. They were distributed on July 14 and 27. He was spot on accurate and completely truthful. But some folks only like to hear only what they want to hear.
The vote was concluded on July 14th, the deal was done before the TA. Why did it take so long again?
In your zeal to deride every misguided effort by ALPA on your behalf, you are missing the underlying truth and the self-evident point that something as simple as agreeing on a pay rate that had been already previously agreed to by both parties, when? the new negotiators were directed by the ego and emotions of the newly established MEC majority and they were sent in to up the ante and retreat from the previously agreed position. Because it was a terrible position. They were elected to do so. Playing lets make a deal is different from playing lets make a good deal for the pilots. Just resign your seniority number if you want to be a manager.
The result was a negotiations stalemate . . . which some could see as stalling. (Is any of this sounding familiar?) ...or defending
Fortunately, yup fortunately we have language that doesn't allow it to be parked
the PWA provided a process which resulted in the June arbitration hearing. We will know where the dot is when the (single) arbitrator provides his ruling.
Contract Awareness Bulletins were being prepared at that time to inform all of the pilots at the same time. They were distributed on July 14 and 27. He was spot on accurate and completely truthful. But some folks only like to hear only what they want to hear.
The vote was concluded on July 14th, the deal was done before the TA. Why did it take so long again?
In your zeal to deride every misguided effort by ALPA on your behalf, you are missing the underlying truth and the self-evident point that something as simple as agreeing on a pay rate that had been already previously agreed to by both parties, when? the new negotiators were directed by the ego and emotions of the newly established MEC majority and they were sent in to up the ante and retreat from the previously agreed position. Because it was a terrible position. They were elected to do so. Playing lets make a deal is different from playing lets make a good deal for the pilots. Just resign your seniority number if you want to be a manager.
The result was a negotiations stalemate . . . which some could see as stalling. (Is any of this sounding familiar?) ...or defending
Fortunately, yup fortunately we have language that doesn't allow it to be parked
the PWA provided a process which resulted in the June arbitration hearing. We will know where the dot is when the (single) arbitrator provides his ruling.18/5/5 is a joke with the AIPs. If you are going to try to bribe me, open the wallet.
Last edited by notEnuf; 08-12-2016 at 04:33 PM.
08-12-2016, 06:37 PM
#29
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
We're a few months past the amendable date with a greedy mgmt team who wants to play hardball.
And the bed-wetters are emerging from their basements, increasingly desperate to do whatever they can to get a slightly higher pay rate.
It's embarrassing. Man up. Have some backbone and moxie. Stand up and fight. Stop kneeling.
And the bed-wetters are emerging from their basements, increasingly desperate to do whatever they can to get a slightly higher pay rate.
It's embarrassing. Man up. Have some backbone and moxie. Stand up and fight. Stop kneeling.
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