FLY6584

Can anyone tell me the date of hire for the guy holding 50% on the FO side in the 717, A320, and 737 in ATL? Thanks!

NoDeskJob

717, 11500.
320, 10400.
73, 10400.......
11500 is about 1.5-1.8 years with the company.
10400, not sure.
To tell you the disparity between bases, LAX 717B in LAX, top guy is about 9,950!

tunes

FLY, use this also, it shows you all bases and is updated monthly.

Pilot Relative Position

NuGuy

Jokes are funny....

Nu

Banzai

Capped Reserve Days.

Lines that always push PBS max.

Without Mil Leave, my schedule would be inflexible. Granted. It's trading one job for another, but at least I can shift a few things that way.

crewdawg

Fly, check your PMs.


I would much rather they work out a good TA and only bring one to the pilot group that sells itself! We seem to be caving to the companies "needs!" Never mind, one of the main problems...productivity, was created by not listening when they were told they needed to hire more pilots. So I don't think the pilot group is in all that much of a hurry to help them out with their "need." Seems to me that they're making money just fine right now.

In all the surveys, was anyone asked about VB? Which apparently the MOU will be written when...after we agree to it? TDY? We had that at AAL, not a great idea. Are there any pilots who asked to INCREASE the TLV? VEBA? Until something good comes along, I'm good working under the contract the way it is now.

I love how the company comes out and wants a fast contract, but only if it's in their favor. A pilot group that doesn't cave to what they want, and suddenly they want to take things slow...how dare they not agree to what we want! You can't deny the negotiating environment hasn't changed since our counter-proposal. Don't think for a second the company wouldn't be asking for more give if the environment were reversed. I voted for reps to actually represent me, if they are fighting these AIPs, sounds like they are doing that for me.

notEnuf

Manufacturing crisis is what they do, it's their only leverage. This goes way back in the management playbook. It's implemented in all industries against labor. This time around the "can't because our competitors aren't" isn't working so... crisis within that must be addressed.

JamesBond

Welcome to the internet.

nohat

Pos space deviation from DH, not bad, but hear is the bad part of DHing at Delta:
1. you have to book it yourself on your time
2. You are not automatically given an upgrade to first or economy comfort if available. You will have to play phone tag to finally be offered economy comfort if available 24hours before flight
3. rest requirements are different for DHing, but you still must be rested if they change their minds and re-route you!
We used to just show up at gate and were treated with respect and given either an aisle or window and upgraded automatically if available!

Not sure why you mentioned Jumpseat? NWA brought the positive booking of XCM to/from work helping commuters plan their commutes

Vacation slide? who cares at 3:10credit per vacation day means you will still work 12-14 days, on a month you take 7days of vacation. especially with the ALV system of 84 hours they can build you to 91:30 a month. Better get a good divorce lawyer because you will not be home much to take care of your family!

You can only come up with CQ bidding, yawn!Pos space and hotel for ATL commuters!yawn

Better rules on reserve? is that why all the narrow body captain bids are going to guys hired less then two years ago!

We also had 75 hour caps, had more days off then we worked month after month, the patterns/rotations were more commutable and worth more time! We did not have 10:10 hour overnights with FDP of 12+ hours.

5:15 avg day also has consequences in scheduling too. You only stated the few good examples and even some of the three day Europe trips were helped by this method too. It used to be min 5:15 per day which helps prevent having 30 hour domestic layovers with max FDP before and after the overnight. Also brings value of trips up.

10-20 years ago we had QOL built into the contract! We had a retirement! We had premium above 80 hours, We paid for new hire hotel rooms! All I remember is my checks were good and I did not feel tired all the time from the scheduling abuse we are receiving today!

3-4 years ago we are still living with a bankrupt era contract that has not improved much in TA2012(which we are willing to live with compared to the pos TA2015 they tried to deliver) and with the latest failed TA2015 and numerous other failed LOAs and now the most pathetic negotiations of concessions still being written as we speak, I stand by my words that Delta work rules, QOL have continue to fall compared to were they were when I got hired at NWA! I did not save my old contracts, but my body is telling me that our QOL is bad and it feels like they are trying to kill me, I guess because I no longer have a retirement, they are trying to do me a favor!

I was not a big fan of NWA as far as employee/management relations went and thought I escaped that with the merge to finally understand that I am right back were I started, but have an association who thinks its still part of the Delta Family has been ruining our careers since exiting bankruptcy.

Herkflyr

The horror! How in the hell are you to do it otherwise? The reason you wish to PS deviate is because you have unique-to-you reasons for wanting to do so. Doing it on your own certainly is much more efficient than having to initiate a phone call so the company can do something that we are easily capable of doing.
So what? While the recent "downgrade" in being able to book Economy Comfort online is a hassle, at least we can still do it. I recently booked EC via the whole process of checking online, then calling the Pilot Support Center. It might have taken five minutes.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. In any case if you get rerouted into a non-DH leg (never happened to me in 20 years, ever) then the rest rules would be MORE stringent, not less. Example: in our contract we can have a layover of just nine hours if the last leg is DH-only to finish the trip. It must be ten per FAR 117 if you are flying.


That was a great thing you NWA guys brought (along with vacation slide). At PMDL, it wasn't until 1996 that we got the jumpseat on our own airline! I brought up the JS because guys surely wouldn't want to go to those "good ol' days."


Vacation slide might be the best provision in our entire contract. The NWA guys brought it to the merged company, but it was only +/- 3 days. Our DALPA Scheduling Optimization Team convinced the company to allow pilots to slide vacation any time during the month. I have personally slid vacation more than three weeks! Contrary to your post, vacation slide has been a tremendous improvement to my QOL. And usually if I have vacation, if the ALVs are high, I just bid reserve and have very positive results (though not always).

Spoken like someone who just doesn't get it. Up until about a decade ago, ATL commuters (there are thousands) who went to initial training of a month or more had to get a crashpad--this wasn't just for new hires. Now we don't. I can't for the life of me understand why you dismiss that. It is a tremendous improvement. Bidding for CQ is also a great improvement. I hate A period sims. Guess what? I will likely never have another. That surely wasn't the case when the company, and not the pilot, scheduled CQ. I like that.

Reserve rules are vastly better...unless you think it a good thing that your first day on call you would get short call at 0300 (every time, per the contract!) and a two day trip that pays 10.30 today only paid four back then. Narrow body captain bids are going to fairly new guys because people don't want to commute to NYC and cover three airports. I don't ascribe it to reserve rules at all.

Some of that I agree with. I agree that we did not have 10.10 overnights at PMDL...we had nine hour overnights, reducible to eight! I couldn't believe it the first time that happened to me...completely legal under the contract and FAR 121. Part 117 isn't perfect but I prefer it to 121. I also find it amusing that guys here want to go back to 121 (which ain't happening) and yet the cargo guys are incensed because they got the "cargo carveout" and still fly under 121, and make statements that they are second class on the safety front, etc.

At PMDL we never had a min day, ever. If you had a calendar day min at NWA I would like to hear about it.

I think some of the stuff you had at NWA were (and are) superior to what we had/have here. I strongly agree with you that new hires need hotel rooms for the duration of training. It is a disgrace that they do not. (By the way that is something that mgmt can change tomorrow. The fact that they don't says what they truly think of us). I also like your automatic premium pay above 80. I wish we would pursue something like that.

I'll just have to agree with some of that and disagree with a lot of it. I think that DALPA, while far from perfect, has done a good job of trying to improve our contract, one small step at a time. And prior to TA 15, we actually had a lot of small improvements over the past decade, that built on top of each other. I hope that we can do far better than "small improvements" in our next contract, whenever that may happen.