FLY6584

Your 401k is considerably better. Currently we have a 9.3% match, worst in the industry. Jet Blue, Frontier, and Spirit have a better retirement than we do.

Our companies response in recent negotiations after we asked for an industry standard 16% B-fund?

They said we'll give you a 10% match and 5% B-fund, but that 5% B-fund has to come from your profit sharing. No profit sharing that year = no B-fund.

The only place we beat you all is schedule flexibility and scope. If our management offered us what yours offered you we would have signed yesterday. Keep in mind that's just narrow body rates too.

Edit: We would have signed it in terms of pay and retirement. I'm unfamiliar with the concessions they are asking from you all besides I know the sick leave policy is under great debate.

busdriver12

If you want massive schedule flexibility, come to FedEx. Plus, much easier to get week day trips than weekend flying, if that's what you want, as we do little flying over the weekend.

zippinbye

I'm not sure that anybody mentioned our pilot swap board. It's actually a swap/drop/pick-up board. No reserve coverage threshold to deal with. It worked well for me in SEA on the 7ER; the 744 in DTW is a different animal but life can be improved via pilot swaps there too. I have dumped entire months, and left myself to the mercy of picking up open time or crossing my fingers for our 2x pay "greeenslips." Plenty of people doing that, plus many eager to enhance their income by grabbing trips from the swap board, stuffing them where they are legal. The swap board eliminates the seniority considerations of our mainstream "PCS" (pilot change schedule). Pilot swap board is "early board gets the worm." No doubt it has limited value on certain fleets and bases. Whatever the case, significant learning and perseverance is required to become successful at schedule manipulation. But it's a tool that is enhanced by the number of (senior) people who choose not to participate. All that aside, I'll echo what others have said. Your current QOL will be difficult to replace. Unless you're not married to TPA. SEA is a quality lifestyle and the CS 100 will be there in 2018, likely to be junior in both seats, but nothing like NYC. Or consider when you do make it to a widebody, commuting becomes a bit simpler with longer trips and some deadhead opportunities (we can DH in and out of other DL cities), plus total days at work reduce due to higher value days. Good luck with your decision.

full of luv

The junior trips on the 767/A330/777 are often at least 6 days long due to multiple crossings..... that by default includes at least part of a weekend.

nohat

I thought NWA was a bad place to work up until DALPA negotiated away almost every QOL item in our contract from merged contract, LOA, FAR117, JV violation, TA2012, LOA and now no end in sight with our failed ta2015 and continuing failed negotiations with concession riddled AIPs.

Delta is by far the worst airline I have worked for accelerated by poorly ALPA dues hungry negotiations to keep their trough full!

Herkflyr

What a bull**** post. Our work rules are vastly better than they used to be. I just flew a 2 day trip with 2 hours block that paid 10.30. The FO was on reserve and got the same (on a GS no less). Back in the "good ol days" of just 3-4 years ago he would have gotten FOUR hours for that same trip.

Positive space deviation from dh? Jumpseat? Vacation slide? Bidding for CQ? Pos space and hotel for ATL commuters going to training? Vastly better reserve rules?

We had NONE of the above 10-20 years ago. Somehow all that stuff made it into the contract. Gee I wonder how that happened? It certainly wasn't because the company thought we deserved it.

NuGuy

The premium pay at DAL is also highly location dependent. Seniority plays a large role, but being local plays a bigger one. Depending on the aircraft and base, if you are a local, you can really clean up. A short commute with multiple options might also work, but you have to be tied to your phone.

You can pick up trips farther out than a day, but it's always at straight pay. There's no premium for going over a certain schedule value.

Reserve can be tough. If you have even one minute left and a day of availability, they can fly you another 15 hours. Depending on the month, that could be up to 99 hours.

As staffing gets tight, the number of longer trips increases. Commuters like that, locals not so much. Domestic trips are as long as 5 days, and the international trips can be up to 12.

If you are living in base, and that base has good long term prospects, and you've got a reasonable pay/QoL, I'd think long and hard about tossing that aside unless you just HAVE to fly international widebody. I did it, and it ain't all that.

Contracts come and go. I wouldn't get too bunched up about it in the long term.

Nu

Erdude32

Don't come to Delta thinking we have a great contract right around the corner. Our Divided MEC is rapidly p$ssing away the best negotiating environment in airline history. They just voted 12-6 to tell the company to pound sand and walk away from 18,5,5 with no changes to the ps formula and FULL retro. We are about to get parked by the NMB for YEARS because a few in the vocal minority are upset about a sick leave note after the ability to call in sick for 100 hours no questions asked. As if the above isn't enough now they're pounding the drums for the reinstatement of s db retirement, you know...the kind that can be wiped out again at will by the Co & a friendly judge.

Don't come here for the contract. SWA will have one years before us.

Sputnik

Wait, what? Did I miss an email?

Vital Signs

Going off this info didn't think that was possible..?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/so...seniority.html