Talk to me about schedule flexibilty @ Delta
08-11-2016, 08:25 PM
#22
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What is the sick leave policy at Delta? Both current and what the company wants in the new contract.
The general consensus at Southwest seems to be as long as it's not a major holiday it's ok to call in sick for anything you need off. The company requires nothing other than a phone call that you are calling in sick.
The general consensus at Southwest seems to be as long as it's not a major holiday it's ok to call in sick for anything you need off. The company requires nothing other than a phone call that you are calling in sick.
08-11-2016, 09:28 PM
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Hi Fly,
It really depends. Delta is a very seasonal airline. Staffing is tight in the summer, not so much in the winter.
There are multiple ways to drop, swap and add trips. There is no limit to what you can drop down to, reserve coverage permitting.
To drop you can "personal drop". The reserve coverage has to be at or above the requirement each day. You can "authorized personal drop", which is a once per year "silver bullet" that can award a drop below reserve coverage (subject to some holiday black out dates). In either case, if the drop isn't awarded on the first pass, it gets listed on the open board.
You can also list your trip on the pilot to pilot swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're done with it. You can also do pickups and swaps on the P-T-P board (separate from the open time board).
Adding flying is done with straight pickup (and time of month), or premium pickup (usually day or day before). You can try to pick up specific trips, or you can roll the dice with the "blind" bid.
You can also swap out of the open time board, but as someone pointed out, the rules can be kinda fussy.
The wrinkle to DAL is that each base usually has multiple aircraft types. There might be 1200 guys in MSP, but only 200 on the MD-88 FO. That limits the number of trips in the trip pool, compared with a large, single type SWA base. You do better in the larger categories if working your schedule is your thing.
You can do out of base flying at DAL, but it's pretty limited and mostly last minute.
Current sick system is no bank, hours per year based on longevity. Use it or lose it each year. No notes up to 100 hours, except for being out longer than 14 days. Anything over that requires verification, although you can voluntarily verify below those values and it doesn't count towards your verification limit.
Hope this helps. There is a lot of nuance to the system.
Nu
It really depends. Delta is a very seasonal airline. Staffing is tight in the summer, not so much in the winter.
There are multiple ways to drop, swap and add trips. There is no limit to what you can drop down to, reserve coverage permitting.
To drop you can "personal drop". The reserve coverage has to be at or above the requirement each day. You can "authorized personal drop", which is a once per year "silver bullet" that can award a drop below reserve coverage (subject to some holiday black out dates). In either case, if the drop isn't awarded on the first pass, it gets listed on the open board.
You can also list your trip on the pilot to pilot swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're done with it. You can also do pickups and swaps on the P-T-P board (separate from the open time board).
Adding flying is done with straight pickup (and time of month), or premium pickup (usually day or day before). You can try to pick up specific trips, or you can roll the dice with the "blind" bid.
You can also swap out of the open time board, but as someone pointed out, the rules can be kinda fussy.
The wrinkle to DAL is that each base usually has multiple aircraft types. There might be 1200 guys in MSP, but only 200 on the MD-88 FO. That limits the number of trips in the trip pool, compared with a large, single type SWA base. You do better in the larger categories if working your schedule is your thing.
You can do out of base flying at DAL, but it's pretty limited and mostly last minute.
Current sick system is no bank, hours per year based on longevity. Use it or lose it each year. No notes up to 100 hours, except for being out longer than 14 days. Anything over that requires verification, although you can voluntarily verify below those values and it doesn't count towards your verification limit.
Hope this helps. There is a lot of nuance to the system.
Nu
08-11-2016, 10:09 PM
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So your point is? That some of our pilots came here after working for another company? I fly with a lot of those on the line 80...that flew with another company before they flew with us!
08-12-2016, 03:06 AM
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08-12-2016, 03:44 AM
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I'm approaching my second year at Southwest, off reserve, and about to start driving to work. I thoroughly enjoy the schedule flexibility I have here at Southwest. Even as a first year guy I have only worked one weekend since April, have averaged about 12-13 days of work a month, and most of my trips are commutable on both ends even though I'm close to holding a line in a base that I can drive to.
08-12-2016, 05:50 AM
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Hi Fly,
It really depends. Delta is a very seasonal airline. Staffing is tight in the summer, not so much in the winter.
There are multiple ways to drop, swap and add trips. There is no limit to what you can drop down to, reserve coverage permitting.
To drop you can "personal drop". The reserve coverage has to be at or above the requirement each day. You can "authorized personal drop", which is a once per year "silver bullet" that can award a drop below reserve coverage (subject to some holiday black out dates). In either case, if the drop isn't awarded on the first pass, it gets listed on the open board.
You can also list your trip on the pilot to pilot swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're done with it. You can also do pickups and swaps on the P-T-P board (separate from the open time board).
Adding flying is done with straight pickup (and time of month), or premium pickup (usually day or day before). You can try to pick up specific trips, or you can roll the dice with the "blind" bid.
You can also swap out of the open time board, but as someone pointed out, the rules can be kinda fussy.
The wrinkle to DAL is that each base usually has multiple aircraft types. There might be 1200 guys in MSP, but only 200 on the MD-88 FO. That limits the number of trips in the trip pool, compared with a large, single type SWA base. You do better in the larger categories if working your schedule is your thing.
You can do out of base flying at DAL, but it's pretty limited and mostly last minute.
Current sick system is no bank, hours per year based on longevity. Use it or lose it each year. No notes up to 100 hours, except for being out longer than 14 days. Anything over that requires verification, although you can voluntarily verify below those values and it doesn't count towards your verification limit.
Hope this helps. There is a lot of nuance to the system.
Nu
It really depends. Delta is a very seasonal airline. Staffing is tight in the summer, not so much in the winter.
There are multiple ways to drop, swap and add trips. There is no limit to what you can drop down to, reserve coverage permitting.
To drop you can "personal drop". The reserve coverage has to be at or above the requirement each day. You can "authorized personal drop", which is a once per year "silver bullet" that can award a drop below reserve coverage (subject to some holiday black out dates). In either case, if the drop isn't awarded on the first pass, it gets listed on the open board.
You can also list your trip on the pilot to pilot swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're done with it. You can also do pickups and swaps on the P-T-P board (separate from the open time board).
Adding flying is done with straight pickup (and time of month), or premium pickup (usually day or day before). You can try to pick up specific trips, or you can roll the dice with the "blind" bid.
You can also swap out of the open time board, but as someone pointed out, the rules can be kinda fussy.
The wrinkle to DAL is that each base usually has multiple aircraft types. There might be 1200 guys in MSP, but only 200 on the MD-88 FO. That limits the number of trips in the trip pool, compared with a large, single type SWA base. You do better in the larger categories if working your schedule is your thing.
You can do out of base flying at DAL, but it's pretty limited and mostly last minute.
Current sick system is no bank, hours per year based on longevity. Use it or lose it each year. No notes up to 100 hours, except for being out longer than 14 days. Anything over that requires verification, although you can voluntarily verify below those values and it doesn't count towards your verification limit.
Hope this helps. There is a lot of nuance to the system.
Nu
08-12-2016, 06:33 AM
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I'm approaching my second year at Southwest, off reserve, and about to start driving to work. I thoroughly enjoy the schedule flexibility I have here at Southwest. Even as a first year guy I have only worked one weekend since April, have averaged about 12-13 days of work a month, and most of my trips are commutable on both ends even though I'm close to holding a line in a base that I can drive to.
With that said I have an upcoming interview at Delta and curious to know what kind of schedule I can expect my first, second, third, and so on years. Moving to a Delta base is NOT an option and I'm commuting from TPA so I'm wondering how long would it take to achieve a 12-13 day month schedule that is primarily weekdays and has trips that are commutable on both ends? I know I'm asking for a lot, but I'm having a hard time deciding if the improved pay, retirement, and upgrade time at Delta is worth the QOL I would be giving up at Southwest.
At Southwest we have two ways to trade trips. One is a pilot to pilot trade and the other is a pilot to company trade. Between these two tools I have had really good luck these past few months turning an all weekend flying line into an all weekday line while also reducing the number of days I fly. Do you have something similar at Delta and how effective is it?
Thanks in advance!
With that said I have an upcoming interview at Delta and curious to know what kind of schedule I can expect my first, second, third, and so on years. Moving to a Delta base is NOT an option and I'm commuting from TPA so I'm wondering how long would it take to achieve a 12-13 day month schedule that is primarily weekdays and has trips that are commutable on both ends? I know I'm asking for a lot, but I'm having a hard time deciding if the improved pay, retirement, and upgrade time at Delta is worth the QOL I would be giving up at Southwest.
At Southwest we have two ways to trade trips. One is a pilot to pilot trade and the other is a pilot to company trade. Between these two tools I have had really good luck these past few months turning an all weekend flying line into an all weekday line while also reducing the number of days I fly. Do you have something similar at Delta and how effective is it?
Thanks in advance!
The pay is not industry leading and retirement is a 401k company contribution that will leave you short at retirement, you might get to upgrade fast or get to widebody FO fast, but you will be on reserve for a very long time.
No crystal ball, but as of today Delta work environment is very bad with FAR117 being our contract, harassment over sick calls, fatigue calls and unfit to continue extensions with 86% chance of getting paid for such events.
You will work harder, with less commutable trips for a very long time with no relief in site with our current failed negotiations!
But we the pilots would welcome you with open arms to our dysfunctional family!
08-12-2016, 11:49 AM
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Not disagreeing with your overall points, but from what I remember our 401K is a lot better than what SWA has.
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