Lanyard Policy
02-11-2016, 08:11 PM
#61
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By all means, wear the lanyards! But as some here have pointed out, our management isn't stupid; the reasons for this change aren't entirely clear. Pay attention to this part of the ALPA memo:
"...if you are challenged by your supervisor or someone in your chain of command, do not risk disciplinary action through non-compliance with their directive. Follow their directive and let us know that you were ordered to remove your ALPA-approved lanyard. Be sure to let your supervisor know that you are complying with his order under protest – and be assured that your union will also be protesting..."
Be professional, be smart. Just sayin'.Keep it professional.
Just know that 12,000+ pilots will be saying...
02-11-2016, 08:32 PM
#62
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Once FAA-approved, I believe the entire FOM contents carry regulatory weight; an extension of FARs, if you will. Please correct me if I'm wrong in that interpretation.
So if I'm on target, a violation of FOM directives, especially a wanton and purposeful violation, could open the door for FAA administrative or enforcement action, .
So if I'm on target, a violation of FOM directives, especially a wanton and purposeful violation, could open the door for FAA administrative or enforcement action, .
It's never happened.
02-11-2016, 08:54 PM
#63
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This.
FOM's contain regulatory items and company policy.
It is FAA approved due to CFR's contained in them. Company policy such as uniforms, is not under the FAA's purview. They don't care about it.
02-11-2016, 09:09 PM
#64
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They have no experience with unions, it's an unknown for them. Although most of those guys have seen NWA strike, AAL attempt to strike, AAL work actions, UAL work actions, BOB, etc. To them it's like sitting in a dark tunnel and hearing a train coming.
02-11-2016, 09:12 PM
#65
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The uniform standards have no weight with the FAA. However, if asked by one of our caring CPO's to remove the lanyard, I probably would... Only to be donned for the next trip after union council.
02-12-2016, 04:08 AM
#66
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Part of the FOM it talks about whom the FOM is applicable to and what sections. For example, the grooming standards dictate no goatee. However, a Fed can have a goatee because that regulation is not applicable to them.
The uniform standards have no weight with the FAA. However, if asked by one of our caring CPO's to remove the lanyard, I probably would... Only to be donned for the next trip after union council.
The uniform standards have no weight with the FAA. However, if asked by one of our caring CPO's to remove the lanyard, I probably would... Only to be donned for the next trip after union council.
Second, if/when you are 'challenged' by a CP about your ALPA badge (lanyard) as the MEC letter said, be respectful BUT be sure you tell him you are removing it UNDER PROTEST, and ASK for his NAME, get out your pen, let him see you are writing down his name, time and location of his challenging YOUR RIGHT to be in a Union and display a Union badge!
Let's start taking hostages, hit them with a lawsuit, see how they like that.
02-12-2016, 05:18 AM
#68
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Thanks guys for clarifying the reach of the FOM concerning uniform items. Glad to hear the lanyard crack-down is simply bovine excrement and not regulatory in nature. That makes it all the easier to display the ALPA lanyards. Thank you John Malone and the rest of your team at the MEC.
02-12-2016, 05:48 AM
#69
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Don't think I've ever seen a management type with a Mustache in compliance with the FOM. It's not allowed to extend beyond the corner of the mouth. They have already set precedents in not following FOM.
I'm due for a new lanyard, mine is 10 years old.
I'm due for a new lanyard, mine is 10 years old.
02-12-2016, 06:03 AM
#70
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Just a thought. If you read the memo carefully, it mentions bringing us in line with the rest of the company. This policy change also applies to IFS, and ACS. It's a company wide change. Is it poor timing, or nefarious shenanigans?
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