DALMD88FO

Actually there are quite a few guys that leave in blanket GS's for the month. There is good reason to do it also. You see short notice greenslips are manually run and as such are subject to human error. Also there is a clause in out PWA that allows the company to bypass the assignment ladder in section 23 to preserve the operational integrity of the schedule, however they are suppose to pay protect the person that was suppose to get the assignment by the ladder. They never do until someone catches them.

Long story short, it is your contractual right to have a greenslip in and if you acknowledge it then it's your baby. If you don't then they have the right to bypass you without pay and go on to the next guy.

notEnuf

I've been doing this for years. I want the call for the short notice green slips. The day of is a proffer and I may rather do one verses another. Either way they are required to offer me the opportunity. If I decide to wait for a 3 day versus a 1 day there is nothing wrong. Having a green slip in for the day of is like window shopping.

MikeF16

Should I have to update my GS every time I have a beer? I have an open GS in for the entire month, sometimes I pick up the phone sometimes I don't, sometimes I acknowledge in the 10 minute window, sometimes the trip looks like crap and I pass. Once I decide "uncle" and crack open a beer I've essentially said I'm not willing to fly a GS tonight. Do you think it is my obligation to change my GS every time I drink a beer on an off day? That's ridiculous.

Klondike Bear

Yeah that was what I was thinking

Timbo

You are correct Mike, have a beer and don't sweat it, not need to keep changing your GS preferences every time you have a pop.

Being a commuter, I usually specify that I need 12 hours notice, just to avoid the unwanted 10pm "Hurry UP and get to the airport!" phone calls.

newKnow

Han,

Delta watches this board AND they know who most of us are. Be careful and consider asking the mods if you can correct any typos in your post.

Herkflyr

Correct.

Correct...EXCEPT...a same day GS--unlike a WS--is NOT a proffer. Greenslips have always had some sort of vagueness about them that I have never liked. The bottom line is this. If you have a GS request in and the company contacts you...AND...you are completely legal to fly the GS, both contractually and FAR-wise (i.e. you haven't drank any alcohol etc) then you must fly it. Even then it is a bit "nebulous" if you throw in lack of childcare, etc. ALPA has put out bulletins in the past addressing all this. I have actually petitioned the reps to make GS acknowledgement the same as WS, but apparently that is not a huge priority in the big scheme of things.

Agreed.


I agree with all of these posts (correcting the "same day is a proffer" quote, which is not correct). Many pilots put in a blanket GS for the entire month, just because in some categories it is quite rare. You are under zero obligation to be in place, alcohol-free and the like, just because you have a blanket GS request in.

What I was addressing was the implication that we should all put in a GS request, with zero intention of every flying one, or ever wanting to, just to inject some more hassles into the scheduling system. Tread lightly on what you think others, or the collective "we" should do, in absence of specific MEC guidance.

What you, or I, choose to do on an individual basis is our own business, free to do--or not--as you see fit within the confines of the contract, FARs, and your own personal life.

DALMD88FO

You are incorrect in this statement. The PWA specifically states that you must be notified AND acknowledge the GS in order for you to have to fly it. Big difference from what you wrote. What guys have been saying is correct. They can leave the blanket GS in and take a peek at what is offered and if they don't like what they see behind the curtain they can just do nothing and it will go to the next guy. As long as you don't answer your phone or put your password in the box that pops up in DBMS then you don't own the trip.

notEnuf

23.Q.5. A GS or GSWC may stipulate specific rotations and/or specific dates, in order of 20 preference and may also include any of the stipulations set forth in the PCS template.

23.Q.6. A GS or GSWC will remain active for processing until:
a. the stipulations in the GS or GSWC have been met.
b. the time frame specified by the pilot expires.
c. the pilot withdraws the GS or GSWC.

I'm not seeing anything requiring what scheduling is requesting. You have the contractual right to add/remove at will and stipulate qualifiers or not.

Herkflyr

You are correct. When I said "if the company contacts you" I was thinking via phone call that you answered, and the company now "has you"--that is sufficient enough to be considered "acknowledgment."

However, you are correct in that you have the right to peek at the tentative GS award without acknowledging, if you let the message to to voicemail and you never talk to a scheduler.