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Old 07-10-2015, 05:13 PM
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Dear Sir,

Now that the results are out and the pilot group has spoken, It is time for the Leadership of Council 44 to step aside. You and the others fully ignored the wishes of the pilots you represent and it was an absolute lack of professionalism displayed in the pilot lounges pushing this substandard T/A, with your half-truths and fear mongering.

Since this as you said “was the best we can get”, you have no credibility left to continue in your position. We thank you for your service, but if you have any self-respect and integrity left, you would best serve the pilots of council 44 by tendering your resignation immediately and saving us the trouble of recalling you from office.

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Here are the replies from both of them. You will see they both send the same canned response probably given to them by their handlers. Sad really. It's like an ex GF hanging around your house after you told her you're not interested.

"Resignation is certainly an option. I don't remember seeing the "no" voting reps resign after C2012 was ratified and approved in every council. We have a great deal of work ahead of us. We are still in section 6. We have C44 elections this fall and routine council business, including representing pilots in the CPO. Mass resignations might feel good, but I'm not sure if it's in the best interests of the pilots I represent, or what they want. I do serve at the pleasure of the pilots of C44, they do have the tools available to recall me if they desire. If they choose to do so I will respect their decision. Once again thank you for writing and I'll consider your suggestion."

Respectfully,

David J N

First Officer Representative

Delta Air Lines MEC Council 44

100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway

Suite 450

Atlanta, GA 30354

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"Thanks for writing. Resignation is certainly an option. I don't remember seeing the "no" voting reps resign after C2012 was ratified and approved in every council. We have a great deal of work ahead of us. We are still in section 6. We have C44 elections this fall and routine council business, including representing pilots in the CPO. Mass resignations might feel good, but I'm not sure if it's in the best interests of the pilots I represent, or what they want. I do serve at the pleasure of the pilots of C44, they do have the tools available to recall me if they desire. If they choose to do so I will respect their decision. Once again thank you for writing and I'll consider your suggestion."

Respectfully,

Armando G
LEC 44 Secretary-Treasurer
First Officer Representative


Very similar e-mails. 44 has got to go!!!! Gonna have to do it the Hard way. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny, what with them being virtually identical canned responses. I guess they must have prepared these responses well ahead of time, in preparation of the inevitable? Taken from the, "What to do if asked to resign," ALPA manual?

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Dude,


We pay dues money for this? At this point it's just funny.
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So you're in ATL, but talking about NYC reps?

Considering you're running, you're embarassing yourself. Add Armando and David to the list of people who have more class than you.

You got the vote you wanted. Present an agenda to get the Delta pilots the gains they deserve, or keep it shut. Asking people to step down isn't the path. Have some courage, and present a plan, or step aside for someone who will.

As for representation in NYC, respectfully, we'll take care of things ourselves, thank you very much.
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
Here are the replies from both of them. You will see they both send the same canned response probably given to them by their handlers. Sad really. It's like an ex GF hanging around your house after you told her you're not interested.

"Resignation is certainly an option. I don't remember seeing the "no" voting reps resign after C2012 was ratified and approved in every council. We have a great deal of work ahead of us. We are still in section 6. We have C44 elections this fall and routine council business, including representing pilots in the CPO. Mass resignations might feel good, but I'm not sure if it's in the best interests of the pilots I represent, or what they want. I do serve at the pleasure of the pilots of C44, they do have the tools available to recall me if they desire. If they choose to do so I will respect their decision. Once again thank you for writing and I'll consider your suggestion."

Respectfully,

David J N

First Officer Representative

Delta Air Lines MEC Council 44

100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway

Suite 450

Atlanta, GA 30354



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"Thanks for writing. Resignation is certainly an option. I don't remember seeing the "no" voting reps resign after C2012 was ratified and approved in every council. We have a great deal of work ahead of us. We are still in section 6. We have C44 elections this fall and routine council business, including representing pilots in the CPO. Mass resignations might feel good, but I'm not sure if it's in the best interests of the pilots I represent, or what they want. I do serve at the pleasure of the pilots of C44, they do have the tools available to recall me if they desire. If they choose to do so I will respect their decision. Once again thank you for writing and I'll consider your suggestion."

Respectfully,

Armando G
LEC 44 Secretary-Treasurer
First Officer Representative


Very similar e-mails. 44 has got to go!!!! Gonna have to do it the Hard way. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny, what with them being virtually identical canned responses. I guess they must have prepared these responses well ahead of time, in preparation of the inevitable? Taken from the, "What to do if asked to resign," ALPA manual?

Wow....that's bad.

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Old 07-10-2015, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
So you're in ATL, but talking about NYC reps?

Considering you're running, you're embarassing yourself. Add Armando and David to the list of people who have more class than you.

You got the vote you wanted. Present an agenda to get the Delta pilots the gains they deserve, or keep it shut. Asking people to step down isn't the path. Have some courage, and present a plan, or step aside for someone who will.

As for representation in NYC, respectfully, we'll take care of things ourselves, thank you very much.
You're going to have to deal with it Sink. Our next path can't even begin without a new administration. That's clear. If the current reps don't want that, they'll be replaced. They'll probably be replaced regardless. It is EXACTLY the path Upon which we need to proceed. I know you hate it because these guys are your homies, but they're history.

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Originally Posted by Sink r8
So you're in ATL, but talking about NYC reps?
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As for representation in NYC, respectfully, we'll take care of things ourselves, thank you very much.
C44 is ATL, so isn't he talking about ATL reps??
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
C44 is ATL, so isn't he talking about ATL reps??
Furthermore both NYC reps voted against ratifying the TA. They have nothing to answer for.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
So you're in ATL, but talking about NYC reps?

Considering you're running, you're embarassing yourself. Add Armando and David to the list of people who have more class than you.

You got the vote you wanted. Present an agenda to get the Delta pilots the gains they deserve, or keep it shut. Asking people to step down isn't the path. Have some courage, and present a plan, or step aside for someone who will.
You are in NO position to dictate the process. Your regime failed miserably. Save the outrage. We don't really give a damn what you think regarding recalls and how we move forward. You had your chance. Now step aside.
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
You are in NO position to dictate the process. Your regime failed miserably. Save the outrage. We don't really give a damn what you think regarding recalls and how we move forward. You had your chance. Now step aside.
My regime? I think you need to stop kidding yourself, and present a platform. It should probably be based on clear answers, and honesty. I don't know who you think "we" is, but right now you need to earn some votes, for the recall and subsequent campaign. You probably need to be a bit more modest, and you need a coherent argument.

Yoy're not NYC-based, so I don't need to describe how immature and unprepared you look right now. I guess you're not going to run as MtEverest?
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