UGBSM

Weasleorlando: "I am not saying that you should not have the time off. I was suggesting that you are not entitled to sick leave to cover that time off. Where is it acceptable to call in sick because you are upset about a marital problem? "

UGBSM: When? When it affects your health. Your emotional and mental health. You cannot, and the company should not, ignore this.

Weasleorlando : "I have no personal experience that says the company is not trusting our good judgement like they have in the past. If others have, I hope they share that with us here so I learn from that and evolve my opinions. "

UGBSM: The draconian changes to our sick leave the company seeks is ample evidence they no longer trust the good judgement of its pilots.

Weasleorlando: "This is the way it has been here at Delta from the time I was hired. I guess the company(not me) feels that the goodwill that existed was being taken advantage of. What have been your personal examples that this has changed?"

UGBSM: Yes, apparently there are some who do not exercise good judgement and abuse the company's goodwill regarding unverified sick time usage. Obviously those few are driving the changes for the rest of us. But this TA is NOT the way to go about addressing that.

So how do you address it? By using a carrot instead of a stick. By going to a sick bank or PPT system like EVERYONE ELSE out there (including our own FAs) have. Sad that it has come to this, perhaps, but I think this is the way to go rather than the convoluted, complicated, risky, ambiguous, unfair system put before us in this TA.

BobZ

U-man......

This conversation should be highly illuminating to anyone who sees no problem with the ta.

Some individual....just like weasel.....is going to sit in judgement and tell you what THEY think qualifies in your personal case as being 'sick'.

Ive already provided him a personal....and as i subsequently learned...not an isolatd case of calling in 'unfit' to fly....but not 'sick'.....and his solution was 'harrumph, harrumph....i would be taking that up the chain'......

Over the years i have been at work with crewmembers who had no business being there. Some had physical manifestations of illness.....and some did not.....but it would have been in everyones best interest if they had simply reported 'sick'.

DALMD88FO

To give us a frame of reference, when did you get hired?

BenderRodriguez

I do not want the guy sitting next to me unfocused on the tasks at hand. If his mind is a million miles away and we are fighting alligators on the flight deck, I do not want him there because he is useless to me. Besides, doesn't everybody now have to sign the release saying they are fit for duty? Mental fitness is included in that. You can be a stock broker and have these issues (although I wouldn't necessarily be happy with the results), but not in aviation.

I still maintain that this whole issue is forefront because it is nearly impossible to get a day off once your schedule has been assigned. That is the problem which needs fixing. Short staffed reserves allow for NO ONE, all the way to the number one guy in category to drop trips. That affects everybody. Fix that, and "abusive" sick calls will drop dramatically imho.

gloopy

Especially by the time that you go to a QHCP, they can no longer scientifically verify your condition.

Now what?

forgot to bid

I think then you're supposed to personal drop it.

gloopy

Too late you've already called in sick.

I guess you could preempt your own grey area sick calls by personal dropping them though.

Assuming you only get sick M-F in months other than March, June, July, August or December, or other M-F's around holidays and such.

forgot to bid

I think they just want us to personal drop when we are sick.

SayAlt

China's stock market is crashing...

...Greece will likely default this weekend and exit the EU

...Puerto Rico is in economic crisis

...the US Municipal Bond market is teetering on the verge of collapse as local gov'ts can't meet their pensions obligations (see CA, Chicago, Detroit, etc, etc, etc, etc)...

...32 US states face budget gaps in fiscal 2015 or 2016 or both, according to an April 27 report by Standard & Poors...

...the Baltic Dry Index (cost to ship good overseas in freighters) is at an all-time LOW (800ish vs all-time high of 5000) because global economic activity is virtually non-existent...

...the total notional value of derivatives exposure by U.S. banks iss $240 trillion according to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) as of Q4/2014...

....the BIS (Bank of International Settlements....the "Bank of Banks") is issuing dire warnings re: current global monetary policy and massive economic risk...

....etc, etc, etc, etc....



In point of fact, the only people living in fantasyland are those who think:

1) there won't be another global economic crisis in the next 3 years

2) that the world central banks will be able to do anything about it other than watch everything implode and banking contagion spread like wildfire.


This TA is very, very simple. Mgmt is banking on the senior pilot group getting lost on the PAY, PAY, PAY (hoping they're ASSUMING best case scenarios ONLY!) in order to vote yes and thus undermining the future of the junior pilot group through the other concessions. The OP is a perfect reflection of Anderson's gamble.

The OP ASSUMES profits will stay the same and increase. Assumes.

Meanwhile, there is not a single "yes" scenario that assumes a profit decline (for any reason) and can justify a "yes" vote under that (increasingly likely) scenario.

"Yes" voters would be far more intelligent to assume the worst re: profits and the new pay package...which is kind of interesting...as they're presumably professional pilots who are paid to assume the worst and remain prepared for it.

But come contract time and a pay increase, that professional mindset flies out the window, and they "assume" nothing but the best case scenarios to justify their thoughts/actions.

It's amazing.





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300SMK

And if they don't have ample reserves?


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