Originally Posted by ghilis101

1 more TA? Not a chance. You vote 2015 TA and there is zero chance Bastian is giving us a 2018 TA on time. Unless its rammed down our throats again. But odds are theyll milk it in 2018 fedex and swa style. This is it. Nothing left in our skeleton of a contract. Ugh is right.

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley

Man, you're Chairman's Club material! After C2105, maybe you can suggest another section of the contract to concede. Unfrigginbelievable in these times you'd even accept a single concession.

Originally Posted by ghilis101

1 more TA? Not a chance. You vote 2015 TA and there is zero chance Bastian is giving us a 2018 TA on time. Unless its rammed down our throats again. But odds are theyll milk it in 2018 fedex and swa style. This is it. Nothing left in our skeleton of a contract. Ugh is right.

Originally Posted by BobZ

Weasel...

You live in some kind of alternate reality. Sure....as an fo today....go ahead and try and get a pd.

As a captain....i had just the case you cite...personal crisis with family....called scheds and informed them i would not be reporting for work.

Answer?.....thats not approved...we dont have staffing. Okay....well you do whatever you want...im not going to be there. next call i got was from cpo.....accusing me of refusing to report for work.

Both crewmembers now sign the release......it is a regulatory and legal requirement we certify all factors and fitness for duty. If a crewmember cannot do so......they are in the world of the faa....sick.

Its only fools like yourself who cloud the issue by advocating a personal standard of 'sick' that has nothing to do with the clear and unambiguous legal obligation of self certifying fitness for duty.

Originally Posted by bluejuice71

Wow, in to name calling now. Real professional.

Originally Posted by ERflyer

More LCA OE Myth Busting

For May, not exactly the peak of summer flying yet but the latest month available, FO's had 3,912 green slip/ assignment trips.

The worst case estimated projection for June if 75% of the PBS OE trips were removed would be 302 trips removed.

So, 302 / 3,912 = 7.7% less.

92.3% of green slips would remain. And as summer kicks in I bet the green slips for June would be closer to 5,000 thus leaving 4,700 green slips. Hardly a devastating loss.

And 100% of copilots will make 21.5% more on those green slips as well as regular pay in 2018.

You could be making 8% more on green slips and straight pay right now if the TA is approved.

It's a complete myth that green slips will disappear with this negotiated trade off.

Originally Posted by ERflyer

More LCA OE Myth Busting

For May, not exactly the peak of summer flying yet but the latest month available, FO's had 3,912 green slip/ assignment trips.

The worst case estimated projection for June if 75% of the PBS OE trips were removed would be 302 trips removed.

So, 302 / 3,912 = 7.7% less.

92.3% of green slips would remain. And as summer kicks in I bet the green slips for June would be closer to 5,000 thus leaving 4,700 green slips. Hardly a devastating loss.

And 100% of copilots will make 21.5% more on those green slips as well as regular pay in 2018.

You could be making 8% more on green slips and straight pay right now if the TA is approved.

It's a complete myth that green slips will disappear with this negotiated trade off.

Originally Posted by Pilotfo64

Do you ever get tired of getting your tail kicked? Anyway, in the NY FO er category every FO is getting at least 2 greenslips a month. The future looks like even more as training is only forcast to increase. So with this TA at 7-10 % loss, we are tallking at least 2 greenslips per pilot per year. Which if you assume 50 trips per year...equates to at least 8% pay cut. There goes your pay raise plus u get all the rest of the $hit that comes with this POS TA at a time of unheard of record profits.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez

I am not voting no to protect excessive greenslip flying for FOs. Sorry. I have enough other reasons. If we are going to do that then captains pay increases need to be much more than FOs. Some on here count GS pay as if it were regular compensation. OK, if that is the case, then FO rates are too high relative to CA rates.

bring it on!

Originally Posted by ERflyer

A negotiation is give and take.

In the real world ultimatums and the inability to compromise get you very little. Two sides have to get something to reach a deal or one of the sides has no incentive to negotiate.

20% more than American for some give and take. Reality.