The Case For Voting Yes - Multiple Parts
07-09-2015, 07:57 AM
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The money is the number one priority. The lack of it with 8%, no raise, and colas in the out years doesn't meet the requirements of the priority. Why did we address their "must haves" first before our must haves? The early nature of the labor peace this TA would bring requires a much higher premium. With all that money I still won't get a raise if the effectiveness of my seniority is diminished. Why just FOs? Why people with health issues? Why the future growth of international? Why a B scale for pilots who finally made it to the pinnacle of their carreer? Why do we want to give that up for 8% raises? Why when we have an environment so directly opposite the environment that took so much? The big take is history. Its time for the big give.
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07-09-2015, 08:44 AM
#182
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Show me the money!
Just like Tom Cruise in "Jerry Maguire" all I've been hearing since bankruptcy, which we all collectively started on the exact same date, is "Show me money!" I'm reminded of that as I watch the final two days of the vote for our TA wrap up.
For the last ten years all I've heard is how we need to return our W-2 to the pinnacle of what it was and what we needed to get there. That is, C2004 plus inflation. I mean, that's pretty much all I heard. And as we've taken bite after bite out of the apple to get us closer I kept hearing that it was never enough and that we had to hit one out of the ballpark and get it all back at once.
The strategy of DALPA for the last seven years has been consistent, sound and has paid off. We are almost there. This TA adds another 16% in pay and 2-3% more in other areas. Profit sharing, a part of this TA, has done the rest. No body wanted 3/3 in the last contract and we were told it wouldn't happen and would be fixed. Right? Guess someone was right. Looks like it'll be 3/11.2 as this TA adds 8% to the last year of 2015.
Finally, with this TA, we will be within 10% of C2004 plus inflation and if profits soar maybe we'll actually be there completely by 2018. What happened? Why is the emphasis now on so many other things?
Quite simply there are those who would be against virtually any TA. And they're here to convince you that without another minor adjustment in something, take your pick, you should forget about the very real total value of this TA.
They are "so concerned" about a few negotiated adjustments to the TA that they don't care about the money? I thought that was the main concern?
It's fascinating how there are some people who attempt to take our focus off the ball and tear us down no matter how good those we chose to lead us are doing. Now every small chink in the armor of this TA is trotted out as a final example of their imperfection and what's wrong with this TA. Sick leave, LCA OE trips pulls, international scope adjustments, you name it, are shouted out as the main reasons for voting no. And some very intelligent people are buying it. I even hear people complaining about nickel per diem increases, even though it does match inflation, as a reason to vote no. Some are in hyperdrive about LOA 15-01 'Excise Tax on Employer-Sponsored HealthCoverage' even though it's been explained, repeatedly, that it's a wash. And 25 less RJ's is lambasted as being horrible even though too many RJ's are also one of those things criticized by so many for so many years.
I have discussed the money aspect on here and on Chitchat and have taken heat as "All you care about is the money!" What? I thought that's mainly what it was about? The other stuff is mostly better and we did trade off a few things but to suddenly underemphasize increased pay rates (without profit sharing) that puts $2,400 to $4,900 a month more in our pockets . . . is interesting.
They also want you to forget you work for an airline and you live in a volatile world. Suddenly, terrorist attacks, wars, downturns, and unfair competition are things of the past and we should ignore trouble that is clearly visible, even to a blind man, on the horizon.
This TA is not perfect. It is negotiated by men chosen by our elected leaders with men who would prefer to give us nothing. They have given us more money, as was our number priority. Early. It's not something hit out of the ballpark but it's another single and multiple hits win basball games. They have also improved many other areas for us, held the line on others and made compromises. I want perfection. Reality intrudes.
They showed us the money.
Now.
Just like Tom Cruise in "Jerry Maguire" all I've been hearing since bankruptcy, which we all collectively started on the exact same date, is "Show me money!" I'm reminded of that as I watch the final two days of the vote for our TA wrap up.
For the last ten years all I've heard is how we need to return our W-2 to the pinnacle of what it was and what we needed to get there. That is, C2004 plus inflation. I mean, that's pretty much all I heard. And as we've taken bite after bite out of the apple to get us closer I kept hearing that it was never enough and that we had to hit one out of the ballpark and get it all back at once.
The strategy of DALPA for the last seven years has been consistent, sound and has paid off. We are almost there. This TA adds another 16% in pay and 2-3% more in other areas. Profit sharing, a part of this TA, has done the rest. No body wanted 3/3 in the last contract and we were told it wouldn't happen and would be fixed. Right? Guess someone was right. Looks like it'll be 3/11.2 as this TA adds 8% to the last year of 2015.
Finally, with this TA, we will be within 10% of C2004 plus inflation and if profits soar maybe we'll actually be there completely by 2018. What happened? Why is the emphasis now on so many other things?
Quite simply there are those who would be against virtually any TA. And they're here to convince you that without another minor adjustment in something, take your pick, you should forget about the very real total value of this TA.
They are "so concerned" about a few negotiated adjustments to the TA that they don't care about the money? I thought that was the main concern?
It's fascinating how there are some people who attempt to take our focus off the ball and tear us down no matter how good those we chose to lead us are doing. Now every small chink in the armor of this TA is trotted out as a final example of their imperfection and what's wrong with this TA. Sick leave, LCA OE trips pulls, international scope adjustments, you name it, are shouted out as the main reasons for voting no. And some very intelligent people are buying it. I even hear people complaining about nickel per diem increases, even though it does match inflation, as a reason to vote no. Some are in hyperdrive about LOA 15-01 'Excise Tax on Employer-Sponsored HealthCoverage' even though it's been explained, repeatedly, that it's a wash. And 25 less RJ's is lambasted as being horrible even though too many RJ's are also one of those things criticized by so many for so many years.
I have discussed the money aspect on here and on Chitchat and have taken heat as "All you care about is the money!" What? I thought that's mainly what it was about? The other stuff is mostly better and we did trade off a few things but to suddenly underemphasize increased pay rates (without profit sharing) that puts $2,400 to $4,900 a month more in our pockets . . . is interesting.
They also want you to forget you work for an airline and you live in a volatile world. Suddenly, terrorist attacks, wars, downturns, and unfair competition are things of the past and we should ignore trouble that is clearly visible, even to a blind man, on the horizon.
This TA is not perfect. It is negotiated by men chosen by our elected leaders with men who would prefer to give us nothing. They have given us more money, as was our number priority. Early. It's not something hit out of the ballpark but it's another single and multiple hits win basball games. They have also improved many other areas for us, held the line on others and made compromises. I want perfection. Reality intrudes.
They showed us the money.
Now.
If I was confident the future negotiations would yield better results, I'd be more willing to see your point of view. But we are negotiating against a Wall Street mindset which is characterized by greed and disregard for the people who make them their money. Ever ask yourself what motivates the people across the negotiating table? The list of possible answers does not include our well being. The list of possible answers does include greed and power. After all, those across the table don't need the money - they already make millions annually while the company is making billions. And I fear that when RA is replaced, that greedy Wall Street mentality will only get worse. So we need to take a stand now or it only gets worse.
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