chuck416

>clear, definable onerous changes to a good sick leave policy. CONCESSION
>dal is out of compliance wrt j/v flying for four years running, so change to a new benchmark that measures said share of flying whereby dal is IN compliance with new pilot contract from day#1. CONCESSION
>new DC-9 replacement a/c is introduced into fleet, (E190/E195) at considerably reduced 100 seat a/c pay rate that we already have in contract language, but failed to categorize correctly (a 100 seat a/c) CONCESSION
>profit sharing reduced yet again, for the second time in a row. CONCESSION
>abrogation of F/O seniority wrt LCA bidding before F/O bidding is complete--how much this will affect ALL F/Os is anybody's guess, but it's a reasonable expectation that the company would not be trying to land this if it weren't a significant drag (read, pilot benefit) to cost. CONCESSION
>p/s is now calculated after executive bonus distribution. CONCESSION
And to think, we negotiated all of this, for 8%/0%/3%/3%. Is it any wonder the company wrapped this up early? Vote your conscience. I did, and am confident in my reasoning. If we can't negotiate fairly and from a position of mutual respect in this economic environment, I really dread what our future contracts will look like in times ahead when UAL and AA mergers mature, and their synergies are realized.

Sink r8

So you're counting the PS reduction as a concession AND figuring pay increases at 8/0/3/3?

You're also giving blame for not having an adequate 190 rate, but not giving this TA credit for improving it by a wide margin.

Other than that, and failing to account for any gains, I understand your position. But I am amazed how many guys are doing the math 6% short.

BenderRodriguez

I disagree. That is not a concession. It has been monitized and you are still going to receive like monies for it. We did not get any additional for that monitization of big significance, but it is not a concession.

notEnuf

Then the 2016 raise isn't a gain either.

8/0/3/3

Or


8/6/3/3 - PS (6% gain with a profit sharing concession)

BenderRodriguez

If that spin makes you feel better then by all means have at it. Greece just voted no to austerity. They are a country with a GDP the size of Rhode Island and it is tanking stock markets all over the world. What happens when Spain does the same thing? What happens when the EU falls apart? Might DAL not make these predicted profits that some of you are so convinced will never end? If those profits go below 6 Billion, we still get that money. That is a pretty good deal.

I didn't want profit sharing touched either, and I am disappointed that it was but the logic makes sense and I can live with it. What disappointed me even more is that it was referred to as a 6% increase in the second year or if you bought that, a 3% increase in the third. I am not wrapped up in the numbers, other than I know I am going to see a LOT more money in my account if it passes. I can get by the pitch and look at the numbers by themselves. However you want to spin it is your business. There are a lot of reasons that monitizing profit sharing makes sense, but I am guessing you aren't interested in hearing them.

ghilis101

monetizing PS most definitely makes sense. However, they monetized it then sold it to us as part of the pay raise, and that, as you were alluding to, is poor form.

Im ok with training PS for pay but then that becomes the new BASELINE. From there, you negotatiate a real pay raise off that baseline. We didn't do that. Its marginal. And to add insult to injury, the new PTIX formula is going to haunt us. and 3B4 is now going to be useless. And our sick policy is invasive. And our scope is being chipped away. I really don't want to work for a Holdings company. I want to work for an airline.

mikea72580

That about sums it up.

scambo1

I'd monetize profit sharing for a 30% pay bump right now.

It's the poison pills in the contract I'm voting against.

gloopy

I'd be fine monetizing it too, as long as it was a separate issue, as well as containing snap back provisions if our pay was ever reduced.

Ferd149

What I find interesting is there's something for every demographic to dislike. I just don't think the company or their legal consultants are that dumb. I guess they think the money alone will get them to 51%?

I haven't been to work since the end of last month and I didn't talk to anyone who supported the TA. Now we're hearing rumors of guys changing their votes? Interesting........

Anyway, if those rumors are true I guess I can toss my conspiracy theory in the crapper I initially thought this thing was going down hard.

Ferd