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Old 06-26-2015, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
This is a very very interesting stance. Is this how you feel about every issue that comes up now? I thought the donut shop would be sooo transparent that everything would be put to a vote, and they do say 'everything'. So would there be a continuous recall carousel there? Or is it just issues that you don't happen to agree with or that get labeled a "turd" that are recall worthy? But then how would know it is a "turd" if it is never put before GenPop?

Still wanna go with this stance?

Putting it before the group is not a bad thing. What's in it is another story.
Disjointed blather.

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Old 06-26-2015, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
This is a very very interesting stance. Is this how you feel about every issue that comes up now? I thought the donut shop would be sooo transparent that everything would be put to a vote, and they do say 'everything'. So would there be a continuous recall carousel there? Or is it just issues that you don't happen to agree with or that get labeled a "turd" that are recall worthy? But then how would know it is a "turd" if it is never put before GenPop?

Still wanna go with this stance?

Putting it before the group is not a bad thing. What's in it is another story.
For me it's not the way they voted, it's the motivation behind how they voted that supports the idea of recall for me. If they voted that way just to pass it on, why even have an MEC vote then?

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Old 06-26-2015, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
For me it's not the way they voted, it's the motivation behind how they voted that supports the idea of recall for me. If they voted that way just to pass it on, why even have an MEC vote then?

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Both are good points. For me it's how they evade any inquiry from the masses about the plan B and secrecy. Even when faced with the direct question they evade and then flee. Why only 30 days? Why are the motions and resolutions not public yet? I've heard the talking points, when will I see documentation. If the workload is to much, slow the operation. We are busy is not an answer.
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Old 06-26-2015, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Disjointed blather.

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Of course it is because it doesn't fit your agenda. Typical from you. The adults are talking here, come back later.
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Old 06-26-2015, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
For me it's not the way they voted, it's the motivation behind how they voted that supports the idea of recall for me. If they voted that way just to pass it on, why even have an MEC vote then?

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That was kind of my point. I believe the donut stance is that all 'legislation' -for lack of a better word- will be passed onto the membership for ratification. Yet here we are talking about recalling reps that voted yes to do just that. I don't understand how there can be desires for an MEC that carte blanche sends everything out yet condemn those that voted to do just that.

I'm divorcing myself form the motivation factor here and looking at the naked issue, and the alternate, and I see a contradiction. That bothers me greatly.
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Old 06-26-2015, 08:31 AM
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Sink, we got spooled. Let me know when you're back. I'd say we left off here.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ml#post1915105
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:28 AM
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Sink. Hello Sink? Has anyone seen Sink?
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
That was kind of my point. I believe the donut stance is that all 'legislation' -for lack of a better word- will be passed onto the membership for ratification. Yet here we are talking about recalling reps that voted yes to do just that. I don't understand how there can be desires for an MEC that carte blanche sends everything out yet condemn those that voted to do just that.

I'm divorcing myself form the motivation factor here and looking at the naked issue, and the alternate, and I see a contradiction. That bothers me greatly.
How's your research going? Still a soft No? Heard from a 64 year old A330 CA who voted no despite the yes vote being her last chance at some fast cash. That type of solidarity and defense of the profession is incredible. Unwavering integrity right there for someone to not take the bait. I feel pretty good knowing her "should have been yes" vote is going to cancel a "should have been no" vote. There are more and more in the 60+ camp that feel this way and junior folks like me have a lot to learn from these mentors.
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
How's your research going? Still a soft No? Heard from a 64 year old A330 CA who voted no despite the yes vote being her last chance at some fast cash. That type of solidarity and defense of the profession is incredible. Unwavering integrity right there for someone to not take the bait. I feel pretty good knowing her "should have been yes" vote is going to cancel a "should have been no" vote. There are more and more in the 60+ camp that feel this way and junior folks like me have a lot to learn from these mentors.

What does this post have to do with the one you quoted?
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Old 06-27-2015, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
What does this post have to do with the one you quoted?
Oh haha just checking in to see if you've decided one way or another...
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