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Old 06-24-2015, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You don't suppose it's because it's two separate kinds of votes, do you?
You KNOW that most pilots here elect their reps and trust their judgment. Reps KNOW that too. For any rep to vote to send this to memory rat when they know they won't vote for it personally is to violate the trust that so many line pilots put in their reps.

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Like the vote on whether to send to MEMRAT or not is a decision on whether HIS PILOTS would want to decide for themselves on this TA, and maybe his personal vote is a vote on what's right for him and his family?
See above. You'd be right if there wasn't that implied trust issue. You'd also have a small case if the MEC administration put out an unbiased pro/con paper as opposed to the absolutely desperate sales pitch we're seeing now from the administration. Given this, you have no case Sink.

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Personally, I don't know how you can be anything but on the fence on this contract right now. The company is always targeting 51%. If this was an easy yes, it wouldn't be on the table.
That's unbelievable to me. Anyone still on the fence at this point shows such an inability in critical thought, I can't imagine them doing our jobs.

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Old 06-24-2015, 02:19 PM
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Psst, Sinkr8... Your agenda is showing.
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Old 06-24-2015, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You don't suppose it's because it's two separate kinds of votes, do you?

Like the vote on whether to send to MEMRAT or not is a decision on whether HIS PILOTS would want to decide for themselves on this TA, and maybe his personal vote is a vote on what's right for him and his family?

Personally, I don't know how you can be anything but on the fence on this contract right now. The company is always targeting 51%. If this was an easy yes, it wouldn't be on the table.
This is the easiest "No" I've ever seen.
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:13 PM
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Perhaps they wanted the pilots to send a message to to Company, not just the MEC.
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
This is the easiest "No" I've ever seen.
Would I ever root for the University of Florida? That is a much much easier no for me. I don't care if they are playing the Taliban. But this is a pretty close second.
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Perhaps they wanted the pilots to send a message to to Company, not just the MEC.
I would agree with you if they weren't pushing so hard for a yes vote. I would have loved it if they put out a message saying, we deferred the vote to you, we cant support it, you decide. At least it would have allowed them to keep their integrity intact. For what its worth, 8 of our voting reps did keep their word and proved their integrity by voting no.
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[QUOTE=Purple Drank;1914411]Psst, Sinkr8... Your agenda is showing.[/QUOT]

That's like a porn star telling someone their fly is open. In the middle of a shoot.

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Old 06-24-2015, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You don't suppose it's because it's two separate kinds of votes, do you?

Like the vote on whether to send to MEMRAT or not is a decision on whether HIS PILOTS would want to decide for themselves on this TA, and maybe his personal vote is a vote on what's right for him and his family?

Personally, I don't know how you can be anything but on the fence on this contract right now. The company is always targeting 51%. If this was an easy yes, it wouldn't be on the table.
I too was on the fence .

It was not an easy vote and I read everything including the TA to attempt to parse out everything I could. In the end it's clear that the net gain is very little compared to the concessions. As we make $6 billion and increasing.

Sick leave left us with less protections, LCA OE drops will affect virtually all copilots, and we'll all have to work more.

I voted no for the first time ever and it was hard to do.
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You don't suppose it's because it's two separate kinds of votes, do you?

Like the vote on whether to send to MEMRAT or not is a decision on whether HIS PILOTS would want to decide for themselves on this TA, and maybe his personal vote is a vote on what's right for him and his family?

Personally, I don't know how you can be anything but on the fence on this contract right now. The company is always targeting 51%. If this was an easy yes, it wouldn't be on the table.
I thought the whole point behind having the MEC vote was because they are in a much better position to judge the overall value of a TA because they have access to information the line pilot does NOT. According to many, the MEC vote was not an endorsement of the TA but rather "should we send it out for memrat?" IMO that is a clear abdication of responsibility when they are in the best position to judge whether this deal is up to par. The fact that they DID NOT make this judgment speaks volumes in my book.

Just went to a LEC meeting and the idea that the company is looking for a 50%+1 vote was somewhat debunked. To long of an explanation but if you want one, PM me and I will try to recall what was said.

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Old 06-24-2015, 06:52 PM
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I found out today that the idea of Pro/Con papers was brought up at the MEC level and it was suggested that the most rabid MEC No voter right the Pro paper and the most rabid MEC Yes voter right the Con paper. This idea was shot down.

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