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Old 07-06-2015, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's probably right which leads me to an interesting thought. What if the next concession DEMANDED by management is non-seniority list LCA's? When Donatelli comes to you and says: "Look guys, they said they HAD to have this or there would be no agreement." What will all the slowplays and shiznits and Trip7's etc say to make that case? That'll be yet more twisted logic.

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Yeah and an impractical idea. You're grasping at straws.
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's probably right which leads me to an interesting thought. What if the next concession DEMANDED by management is non-seniority list LCA's? When Donatelli comes to you and says: "Look guys, they said they HAD to have this or there would be no agreement." What will all the slowplays and shiznits and Trip7's etc say to make that case? That'll be yet more twisted logic.

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Anybody remember when PanAm pilots had non flying supervisors?
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Old 07-07-2015, 05:16 AM
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Anybody remember when PanAm pilots had non flying supervisors?
UPS has them today and they are flying. You can be a 20 year 747 CA and get your next checkride from a 747 LCA hired two months ago. But hey I thought we want to be more like UPS!
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UPS has them today and they are flying. You can be a 20 year 747 CA and get your next checkride from a 747 LCA hired two months ago. But hey I thought we want to be more like UPS!
According to the MEC, we do as long as we are patterning down to industry average. I wouldn't give them any ideas or they must decide to "unlock some more value."
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:26 AM
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According to the MEC, we do as long as we are patterning down to industry average. I wouldn't give them any ideas or they must decide to "unlock some more value."
Well, apply the LOE logic from yes pushers, if it's what everyone else is doing then we are only joining them. 8%. PEB.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Yeah and an impractical idea. You're grasping at straws.
UPS has them today tsquare.

Just yellin.

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Old 07-07-2015, 07:34 AM
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Well, apply the LOE logic from yes pushers, if it's what everyone else is doing then we are only joining them. 8%. PEB.
That's exactly right. The best part would be watching all the apologists on flight pay loss spin it as a huge win.

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Old 07-07-2015, 08:03 AM
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It is, but I am not sure that is the world ending mother of all concessions that it is being made out to be. I... do... not... know... until I get more information. I see pilots doing public math, and we all know how good they are at that.

My point was that he referred to it is 'crap' yet admitted he didn't know how these things affect him. I can't refer to most things on this TA as "crap" or good until I know the facts.
Is it ok to vote "yes" if you don't know the facts? I hold that it is better to vote "no" if the full repercussions of this TA are not known. You said it yourself: "I... do... not... know... until I get more information."
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UPS has them today tsquare.

Just yellin.

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So what? Still not gonna happen here.

You're still grasping at straws.
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