BenderRodriguez

Where is the language that says that? I have asked and have yet to be shown anything that proves what you say is correct. Handshakes do not count. I wish they did, but they don't.

ghilis101

Agreed, LCAs can swap trips. They put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. A lot of times late month OEs are scheduled well after a lot of dropping and swapping has occured.

Bender i think you're right, i think there would be some sort of mandate that LCAs no longer drop any trip that's withheld for OE when the PBS bid awards come out.

PigeonF16

“Category” means the combination of a pilot’s position and base.

Page 22-1 in TA and C2012

However, I don't see the word "category" in 23.D.X that governs the OE trip pull as to whether they can assign OE across category. I keep hearing and reading about this OE pull only being in category, but it needs to be in the TA language. It simply states that you can pull a maximum block hours in category, but it doesn't say you cannot subsequently assign that pulled OE to an out-of-base OE. The DALPA projections for OE rotations pulled is extremely low in each category. The company can pull much more, and it will need much more. The missing language needs to answer these questions:
1. When is the snapshot taken to determine what pilots will finish sim training? End of previous bid period? Closing of PBS bid on the 11th? Completion of Captains' PBS run on/around 14th?
2. Once the OE trips are designated and PBS finishes F/O bids, how long may the company hold OE trips without assigning OE?
3. May the company assign a vacant OE trip to out-of-base trainee?
4. If an in-base OE trainee becomes unavailable, then may the company assign the OE out-of-base?
5. What is the penalty for missing PBS completion deadline?
6. What is the company's deadline for assigning New Hires to a base?

Aug NYC 7ER 31 NH finish training. Two weeks ago that number was 21, but there were an additional 30 New Hire 7ERBs unassigned to a base. I just see too many ways the company can manipulate the numbers to maximize its benefit at the expense of 96% of the F/Os on that category.

Those 31 NH in NYC: 2325 block hours maximum may be designated. At ALV 84, that 27.27 regular lines of which 75% may be withheld resulting in 20.75 fewer regular lines. Let's say that becomes 20. Each NYC F/O will lose about 20 relative lines of seniority from the last F/O getting LCA trips to the last 20 guys on the category. DALPA says it would have been only 3 in June. Well, 20 regular lines is a lot different than just 3.

Bottom line: the TA language allows the company way more allowance for OE trip pulls than DALPA is advertising.

RonRicco

I asked C44 about it and they say it is in the negotiators notes and they did put it in a Hotline.

As much as I doubt the "direction" of the MEC right now, I also can't imagine after putting it in writing, that the ability to swap or drop would not change, that they would also turn around and sign a LOA changing that practice. It would be highly disenginious to sell it on that premise and then turn around and say "that wasn't the intent." If it is a small of issue as they claim, then it is what it is.

I believe if they lock LCA's into their PBS award without the ability to "pcs" or use the swap board, they will have trouble keeping/filling LCAs... At least those that are domestic and not senior.

forgot to bid

And then the whole house of cards comes...



Who in the heck would want to sign up to be a LCA if you can't trip trade every month?

forgot to bid

Didn't they have a problem on the ER with LCA needling the OE scheduler by dropping trips that OE had been assigned to or something along those lines?

scambo1

That cat is asking to test the parachute-less landing system off the Golden Gate Bridge.

BenderRodriguez

No, they do not.

BenderRodriguez

Some people do it for the money. Some people do it because they like to help people. There will always be people that want the job.

Carl Spackler

That's probably right which leads me to an interesting thought. What if the next concession DEMANDED by management is non-seniority list LCA's? When Donatelli comes to you and says: "Look guys, they said they HAD to have this or there would be no agreement." What will all the slowplays and shiznits and Trip7's etc say to make that case? That'll be yet more twisted logic.

Carl