OE trip pulls
06-16-2015, 10:19 AM
#21
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Again I am not in favor of concessions but if you think they are not going to change this you are kidding yourself.
If we vote down the TA we'd better have alternative solutions.
Me personally, I'd rather have all trips available to me and have options if OE is assigned.
My proposal is only an idea and if you have better solutions please offer them.
If we vote down the TA we'd better have alternative solutions.
Me personally, I'd rather have all trips available to me and have options if OE is assigned.
My proposal is only an idea and if you have better solutions please offer them.
Why are we in a rush to get rid of our work rules????
06-16-2015, 10:19 AM
#22
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BTW, notice how we conceded the ability for Reserves to be out of communication for the first two hours of EACH day of reserve during the last TA (FAR 117 negotiations)??? (That TA change only allowed that on the first day of each new block of reserve).
And in this TA Reserves get that option back for each day of reserve.
So what are we giving up in this TA that is being set aside for the next group of negotiators to "win" in the next negotiation?
Gotta love the cycle: Give it up...get it back...give something else up...get that something else back. Why can't they do that with 2004 pay rates????
And in this TA Reserves get that option back for each day of reserve.
So what are we giving up in this TA that is being set aside for the next group of negotiators to "win" in the next negotiation?
Gotta love the cycle: Give it up...get it back...give something else up...get that something else back. Why can't they do that with 2004 pay rates????
06-16-2015, 10:39 AM
#24
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Again I am not in favor of concessions but if you think they are not going to change this you are kidding yourself.
If we vote down the TA we'd better have alternative solutions.
Me personally, I'd rather have all trips available to me and have options if OE is assigned.
My proposal is only an idea and if you have better solutions please offer them.
If we vote down the TA we'd better have alternative solutions.
Me personally, I'd rather have all trips available to me and have options if OE is assigned.
My proposal is only an idea and if you have better solutions please offer them.
We are not in Bankruptcy. The company can't come and unilaterally change contract provisions.
If we turn this down, we will see if the Company wants to risk the "goodwill" we have achieved by working nicely together and let this get messy over some of these issues.
I'm willing to take that risk.
Let's get the raises we deserve, without concessions.
06-16-2015, 11:44 AM
#25
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It's even more of a concession (and will effect more people) than just mandating recovery flying, which would have been a more obvious concession.
06-16-2015, 12:19 PM
#26
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The company can withhold up to 75% of the trips that they wish, but any withheld trip that does not operate a training rotation must go out as a GS/WS/YS/Reserve coverage with premium pay attached. If this was the case, there would be appropriate incentive for the company to not withhold more trips than they expect to need...
06-16-2015, 12:22 PM
#27
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This raises an interesting question, after the trips are pulled is the LCA allowed to drop or swap that trip? Seems very unfair to have a good trip withheld for OE then have the LCA trade it or swap it away. There is no mechanism to give that trip to the FO who rightfully should have been awarded it in the first place.
06-16-2015, 12:45 PM
#28
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Their are approx. 600-700 LCA system wide at Delta. So lets say 600 and each has around 5 trips per month. That is 3000 trips. Take 75% of that and you get 2,250 trips that will be withheld from First Officer bidding system wide. That is a lot of good trips that no FO can bid.. That will trickle down thru the whole list on each aircraft..Also, what are we getting in return if we give up the huge concession? Because it sure isn't a pay raise to make up for it with the profit sharing reduction figured in.
06-16-2015, 02:27 PM
#29
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If Management asked for it, I'm 99.9% sure it's a concession.
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06-16-2015, 02:49 PM
#30
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Their are approx. 600-700 LCA system wide at Delta. So lets say 600 and each has around 5 trips per month. That is 3000 trips. Take 75% of that and you get 2,250 trips that will be withheld from First Officer bidding system wide. That is a lot of good trips that no FO can bid.. That will trickle down thru the whole list on each aircraft..Also, what are we getting in return if we give up the huge concession? Because it sure isn't a pay raise to make up for it with the profit sharing reduction figured in.
1. Less 'good' trips for F/O's to bid
2. Less F/O's required in every category (that's why management wants it)
3. Less money paid to 75% of the F/O's who used to drop LCA trips and pick up a GS (that's also why management wanted this)
Less time off, less money, less hiring oh, an less quality trips remaining.
Yeah, it's a concession.
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