Details on Delta TA
06-17-2015, 10:47 AM
#9531
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Professor,
I've been asked by more than one FA if there's language in the TA that gives pilots nonrev/JS priority over FAs.
I didn't see any such language, and on it's face it seemed so ridiculous I just dismissed it out of hand.
But I keep hearing it.
Seems it's a rumor being spread by FAs and by some pilots to FAs.
I've been asked by more than one FA if there's language in the TA that gives pilots nonrev/JS priority over FAs.
I didn't see any such language, and on it's face it seemed so ridiculous I just dismissed it out of hand.
But I keep hearing it.
Seems it's a rumor being spread by FAs and by some pilots to FAs.
Not to my knowledge. The TA language is on the website of you want to research.
06-17-2015, 10:50 AM
#9532
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We do get "Positive Space" when deviating dead head to/from work, but that's not new in this T/A.
Perhaps in F/A speak that means we get better 'nonreving' benefits?
Perhaps in F/A speak that means we get better 'nonreving' benefits?
06-17-2015, 11:10 AM
#9534
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Professor, I'm repeating my question here followed by your response. I will comment below that.
Using all the language, sections/subsections in the new contract (not just cherry picking the section you decide to cite), is there any scenario where Delta or their third party provider (or anybody else that is not me or the doctor I use) will ask me to provide my medical records? Cite this language from the TA.
Along with this answer please provide:
1. All scenarios where this can happen.
2. How far back they can go.
3. The likely and potential consequences for me not turning over my medical records?
Be specific. We will be revisiting this answer in the future should this language become part of our new contract.
You have stated you are here to answer questions honestly to educate those trying to decide on this TA. You have stated you are getting paid by DALPA to answer these questions. I expect detailed and all encompassing answers. Please do not use lawyerly/Clinetonesque definitions. Deliver a complete answer. If you do not know, don't "guess" or say "I think". Go to those who purportedly know this language cold and who agreed to put it into the TA. Deliver it and let's not lose anything in translation. Thank You.
PS- I want my answer here and not at a roadshow where they dump a bunch of garbage info into the equation to confuse things....similar to what you have done here earlier.
1. I asked you to cite the language. Please show the old language and new language and describe in more detail. You really were not complete in your answer. Is there any scenario where more than just the doctors notes of the item in question (ie sore throat) can be requested? Who can request that information? Also speak more in depth to "When you're in the medical release window 24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years". Be specific and all inclusive.
2. You failed to answer this question. Instead you chose to give an answer to a different question (which also appears to not be truthful). Please answer the question I asked. How far back can they can go?
3. Please expand on this. Could there also be disciplinary action? Could someone be fired for not supplying this information? Could a pilots desire to keep their medical records private lead to pilots flying sick to not deal with the paper chase and threat of disciplinary action? Does the new policy increase the chance pilots will not be paid when they are sick due to using people or organizations established to deny as many claims as possible to reduce costs to Delta?
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please. For the record, it is beyond ridiculous that pilots have to resort to this type of questioning to extract details being purposely left out from our paid union reps who are "awww shucks just here to help get the info out on the new TA". If you cannot give complete answers I believe you should be banned. Your not providing complete answers does a disservice to our pilots causing more harm than good. Pilots are trying to find out what the new TA means and how it will really affect them.
Using all the language, sections/subsections in the new contract (not just cherry picking the section you decide to cite), is there any scenario where Delta or their third party provider (or anybody else that is not me or the doctor I use) will ask me to provide my medical records? Cite this language from the TA.
Along with this answer please provide:
1. All scenarios where this can happen.
2. How far back they can go.
3. The likely and potential consequences for me not turning over my medical records?
Be specific. We will be revisiting this answer in the future should this language become part of our new contract.
You have stated you are here to answer questions honestly to educate those trying to decide on this TA. You have stated you are getting paid by DALPA to answer these questions. I expect detailed and all encompassing answers. Please do not use lawyerly/Clinetonesque definitions. Deliver a complete answer. If you do not know, don't "guess" or say "I think". Go to those who purportedly know this language cold and who agreed to put it into the TA. Deliver it and let's not lose anything in translation. Thank You.
PS- I want my answer here and not at a roadshow where they dump a bunch of garbage info into the equation to confuse things....similar to what you have done here earlier.
Everest,
Your answers.
1) Yes. When you're in the medical release window (24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years)
2). The medical release itself is unchanged from the current contract. It is limited to the specific sick occurrence, and not a general release of your medical records
3)you won't get paid for the sick call
Your answers.
1) Yes. When you're in the medical release window (24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years)
2). The medical release itself is unchanged from the current contract. It is limited to the specific sick occurrence, and not a general release of your medical records
3)you won't get paid for the sick call
2. You failed to answer this question. Instead you chose to give an answer to a different question (which also appears to not be truthful). Please answer the question I asked. How far back can they can go?
3. Please expand on this. Could there also be disciplinary action? Could someone be fired for not supplying this information? Could a pilots desire to keep their medical records private lead to pilots flying sick to not deal with the paper chase and threat of disciplinary action? Does the new policy increase the chance pilots will not be paid when they are sick due to using people or organizations established to deny as many claims as possible to reduce costs to Delta?
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please. For the record, it is beyond ridiculous that pilots have to resort to this type of questioning to extract details being purposely left out from our paid union reps who are "awww shucks just here to help get the info out on the new TA". If you cannot give complete answers I believe you should be banned. Your not providing complete answers does a disservice to our pilots causing more harm than good. Pilots are trying to find out what the new TA means and how it will really affect them.
Last edited by MtEverest; 06-17-2015 at 11:23 AM.
06-17-2015, 11:18 AM
#9535
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06-17-2015, 11:20 AM
#9536
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I think some pilots might have been teasing some FAs and the rumor took on a life of it's own.
06-17-2015, 11:23 AM
#9537
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Professor, I'm repeating my question here
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please. For the record, it is beyond ridiculous that pilots have to resort to this type of questioning to extract details being purposely left out from our paid union reps who are "awww shucks just here to help get the info out on the new TA". If you cannot give complete answers I believe you should be banned. Your not providing complete answers does a disservice to our pilots causing more harm than good. Pilots are trying to find out what the new TA means and how it will really affect them.
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please. For the record, it is beyond ridiculous that pilots have to resort to this type of questioning to extract details being purposely left out from our paid union reps who are "awww shucks just here to help get the info out on the new TA". If you cannot give complete answers I believe you should be banned. Your not providing complete answers does a disservice to our pilots causing more harm than good. Pilots are trying to find out what the new TA means and how it will really affect them.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
On another note Professor, if you are only trying to verify a illness and the company doesn't agree with your Dr and wants you to release your medical records (14.G.1/2), why do they need access to consecutive days before and after? How many days are we talking about? The company's only concern should be the work days you were sick, not anything else...
Denny
So, first off there is not now nor is there any release of you medical records. Ever. That release is so that the doctor can communicate with DHS.
So, for example let us say that you pulled your back out on tuesday.
You have a trip on Thursday.
You are hitting day 15 on Thursday to call in sick.
Your doctor sends a verification to DHS that says, "back pain".
DHS asks for more information, specifics.
Preceding days come into play because you went to see your doctor on Tuesday. Your sick count starts Thursday.
DHS gets another note from your doctor that says,"Denny came to me for a back strain, I prescribed him pills that prohibit him for flying for a few days, expected return on Saturday."
That is the extent of the verification.
And that return date is not a binding date. Its just an idea of your return to work only.
This is the kind of stuff you're going to get at the road shows guys. The plan is to sell this to us by what they THINK the language really means...not the actual language itself.
Carl
Rinse. Repeat. ad nauseam
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06-17-2015, 11:32 AM
#9540
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I've noticed this web board only catalogues back to a certain point. Does anybody know of an easy way to save all the responses on this board for future reference?
Also, I believe it would be in this pilot groups best interest to get out your phones and start video taping the road shows. Hopefully this will motivate those speaking to keep answers accurate/honest but also be a reference for potential claims later.
If misleading, dishonest or half truth information is being decimated, a class action lawsuit by the pilots against DALPA for damages would be appropriate.
Also, I believe it would be in this pilot groups best interest to get out your phones and start video taping the road shows. Hopefully this will motivate those speaking to keep answers accurate/honest but also be a reference for potential claims later.
If misleading, dishonest or half truth information is being decimated, a class action lawsuit by the pilots against DALPA for damages would be appropriate.
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