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And your cost neutral crap is just that. Crap. Crap that you constantly use to further your agenda. Too bad that you do that, because you actually have some good points, yet choose to smear the garbage with peanut butter in the hopes that some may like that turd a little better.
Why do you do that Jerry? Why not present facts instead of this kind of stuff?
If our contract is cost neutral to the company, I'm good with that. If it is cost neutral to us, that is a different story. And there IS a difference that you and Carl and PD and 88 refuse... refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. Only low information voters are paying any attention to that POV.
Last edited by tsquare; 08-25-2014 at 06:14 AM.
#922
Carl
#923
With all due respect to you, Carl, and all my fellow pilots on this forum, I could not care less how I come across or whether I have any credibility. We're all here to spend a bit of time discussing the various issues that come up in our lives, and we should all be free to say what we think.
I don't say the things I post because someone wants me to or because I'm trying to generate a certain perception of me -- it's just what I think.
Believe it or not; I really don't care.
I don't say the things I post because someone wants me to or because I'm trying to generate a certain perception of me -- it's just what I think.
Believe it or not; I really don't care.
It's your right to hide. I just wish you wouldn't.
Carl
#924
And like you said, for the younger among us our retirement setup is a fantastic financial opportunity, if they invest wisely and manage risk effectively.
For those reasons, I don't think any improvement is needed to our retirement... other than the automatic improvement that comes with higher pay, which results in the 15% company contribution being a larger dollar amount. I think the focus needs to be on getting those W2's back up to a level that will provide us and our families a similar standard of living to what Delta pilots enjoyed throughout most of the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's. It's doable. Delta CAN afford it. But it's never going to happen if we don't set it as an objective with a firm resolve to achieve it.
Restore the buying power of our W2's and everybody benefits.
#925
Bwaaahaaaa. You think people can't read through your well crafted answers that disguise the truth? "Cost to staff"? Who cares. We are talking about individual pilot compensation.
Crew each airplane with 64 crews each flight. I don't care. Put 86% on reserve. Not my problem. But all that skews the staffing numbers as well as our well diversified fleet. Why do you do this?
Crew each airplane with 64 crews each flight. I don't care. Put 86% on reserve. Not my problem. But all that skews the staffing numbers as well as our well diversified fleet. Why do you do this?
Carl
#926
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,595
This is a problem for you sailingfun. I know you think it's clever when you attempt these acl65pilot imitations and use carefully crafted language specifically designed to deceive people. But it's not clever. It's completely transparent. The number of us seeing through this is growing...as Flamer is showing you here.
Carl
Carl
#927
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Until I see evidence to the contrary, it is like I said, another Fielding turd on the punchbowl.
And your cost neutral crap is just that. Crap. Crap that you constantly use to further your agenda. Too bad that you do that, because you actually have some good points, yet choose to smear the garbage with peanut butter in the hopes that some may like that turd a little better.
Why do you do that Jerry? Why not present facts instead of this kind of stuff?
If our contract is cost neutral to the company, I'm good with that. If it is cost neutral to us, that is a different story. And there IS a difference that you and Carl and PD and 88 refuse... refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. Only low information voters are paying any attention to that POV.
And your cost neutral crap is just that. Crap. Crap that you constantly use to further your agenda. Too bad that you do that, because you actually have some good points, yet choose to smear the garbage with peanut butter in the hopes that some may like that turd a little better.
Why do you do that Jerry? Why not present facts instead of this kind of stuff?
If our contract is cost neutral to the company, I'm good with that. If it is cost neutral to us, that is a different story. And there IS a difference that you and Carl and PD and 88 refuse... refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. Only low information voters are paying any attention to that POV.
And your response to management's burning desire for pay banding and longer freezes?
I hope you are right and management doesn't even bring up reducing profit sharing AGAIN this round.
But you are wrong.
Join the fight and make the calls.
Jerry
#928
Carl
#929
It's not Jerry's cost neutral crap tsquare, it's management's exact words used to describe C2012.
Management's exact words tsquare.
Emotional temper tantrums won't persuade anyone tsquare. Neither will your attempts at defining what management meant when they describe C2012 as cost neutral.
How can he do better than quoting management's exact words? Why do you try to spin it tsquare?
I've absolutely acknowledged that before. I've even shown my work. Must have been while you had me on ignore.
Carl
Management's exact words tsquare.
If our contract is cost neutral to the company, I'm good with that. If it is cost neutral to us, that is a different story. And there IS a difference that you and Carl and PD and 88 refuse... refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. Only low information voters are paying any attention to that POV.
Carl
#930
If you are based in LAX, SEA or MSP, you already have this ability (with varying restrictions and limitations) as the result of state laws affecting those who work in those states. Maybe we could get Utah, Michigan, Kentucky, Georgia and New York to pass similar state laws as well and then we could have the benefit without even having to expend any negotiating capital on it.
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