Details on Delta TA
06-16-2015, 08:29 AM
#9191
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It looks like that is what the chart says.
The really, was in response to your need to characterize whatever I post as something trying to sell instead of educate.
When I say the 'facts are the facts' that should be up to everyone consuming the information on the TA to decide.
I will say it again. I do not care how anyone votes. My job is to try and find as much information as possible for people and help inform them to make a decision.
So once again, yes, as the chart says...as has always been the case and has never ever once been disputed...the AA 330 pays more than our 330.
The really, was in response to your need to characterize whatever I post as something trying to sell instead of educate.
When I say the 'facts are the facts' that should be up to everyone consuming the information on the TA to decide.
I will say it again. I do not care how anyone votes. My job is to try and find as much information as possible for people and help inform them to make a decision.
So once again, yes, as the chart says...as has always been the case and has never ever once been disputed...the AA 330 pays more than our 330.
Thank you, I rest my case. Enjoy the FPL.
06-16-2015, 08:31 AM
#9192
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REALLY, dude.
Just to clarify, Delta A330 pilots are paid approximately $ 22,080 (conservative estimate) a year less under this 2015 TA to fly the same airplane, the A330, as AMR due to the fact that Dalpa was unable to secure a pay rate that pattern bargains off APAs ability to negotiate 777 pay for their a330s.
Correct, professor?
Just to clarify, Delta A330 pilots are paid approximately $ 22,080 (conservative estimate) a year less under this 2015 TA to fly the same airplane, the A330, as AMR due to the fact that Dalpa was unable to secure a pay rate that pattern bargains off APAs ability to negotiate 777 pay for their a330s.
Correct, professor?
06-16-2015, 08:32 AM
#9194
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First item: "Why make changes to our Sick Leave program?"
Not our problem what management alleges about sick leave abuse. They have the power to fire pilots over it, and they don't. The notepad using this as their lead off item is Exhibit A of Stockholm Syndrome.
Second item: "Sick leave, what has not changed?"
Third bullet is such a distortion it is virtually a lie. Bullets 4, and 5 are complete falsehoods.
That is not true Carl. That language remains unchanged in this contract. The general medical release is a description of the specific illness related to the absence and is not a medical record release. There are many things that do remain completely unchanged in this sick leave policy. Not a distortion.
Third item: "Changes affecting sick leave"
The title alone tells the tale. Honesty would have dictated this section be entitled "Concessions negatively affecting sick leave" except for the last two bullets which are slight positives. The rest of the bullets are truly awful concessions that are spun as mere "changes."
I'm actually sick of responding anymore about this notepad. The rest just continues the falsehoods as stated above. The worst part is that their spin does not comport with the actual TA language. They're lying about what the TA actually says. Sad.
Carl
Not our problem what management alleges about sick leave abuse. They have the power to fire pilots over it, and they don't. The notepad using this as their lead off item is Exhibit A of Stockholm Syndrome.
Second item: "Sick leave, what has not changed?"
Third bullet is such a distortion it is virtually a lie. Bullets 4, and 5 are complete falsehoods.
That is not true Carl. That language remains unchanged in this contract. The general medical release is a description of the specific illness related to the absence and is not a medical record release. There are many things that do remain completely unchanged in this sick leave policy. Not a distortion.
Third item: "Changes affecting sick leave"
The title alone tells the tale. Honesty would have dictated this section be entitled "Concessions negatively affecting sick leave" except for the last two bullets which are slight positives. The rest of the bullets are truly awful concessions that are spun as mere "changes."
I'm actually sick of responding anymore about this notepad. The rest just continues the falsehoods as stated above. The worst part is that their spin does not comport with the actual TA language. They're lying about what the TA actually says. Sad.
Carl
This sick leave change is a concession. Agreed.
But beyond that I'm not seeing any of your points as valid or true.
06-16-2015, 08:36 AM
#9195
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For those believing the lies of FPL.
I will give you a current account of my FPL.
21 hours.
I have been at a 3 day meeting. 1 day of training. And currently average 6 hours a day everyday answering questions on various social media outlets.
So before we start accusing a mis-use of FPL, get the facts.
Also, I would love to see any of you work for no pay and say you are not getting totally screwed.
I'm not complaining. I am a volunteer. But get your facts straight and stop the childish and baseless allegations to try and recruit other's to your island of rancor and discontent.
But, as always, please keep the questions flowing and we will attempt to get you information.
I will give you a current account of my FPL.
21 hours.
I have been at a 3 day meeting. 1 day of training. And currently average 6 hours a day everyday answering questions on various social media outlets.
So before we start accusing a mis-use of FPL, get the facts.
Also, I would love to see any of you work for no pay and say you are not getting totally screwed.
I'm not complaining. I am a volunteer. But get your facts straight and stop the childish and baseless allegations to try and recruit other's to your island of rancor and discontent.
But, as always, please keep the questions flowing and we will attempt to get you information.
06-16-2015, 08:36 AM
#9196
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Yes, that's exactly what stock buybacks do. That is the purpose. They increase the value of the remaining stock outstanding by reducing shares outstanding. The benifit of this over dividend increased is that the now more valuable stock will not be taxed as dividends would be. So yes that's exactly why they do it. To enrich the share holders.
06-16-2015, 08:38 AM
#9197
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You're NOT posting facts.
Carl
06-16-2015, 08:38 AM
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Yes, that's exactly what stock buybacks do. That is the purpose. They increase the value of the remaining stock outstanding by reducing shares outstanding. The benifit of this over dividend increased is that the now more valuable stock will not be taxed as dividends would be. So yes that's exactly why they do it. To enrich the share holders.
You just demonstrated why putting Bender on "ignore" is a great idea.
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06-16-2015, 08:39 AM
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Thank you.
This is exactly why placing "Professor" on ignore is a great idea.
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06-16-2015, 08:46 AM
#9200
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Yes, that's exactly what stock buybacks do. That is the purpose. They increase the value of the remaining stock outstanding by reducing shares outstanding. The benifit of this over dividend increased is that the now more valuable stock will not be taxed as dividends would be. So yes that's exactly why they do it. To enrich the share holders.
Would you acknowledge that management has a fiduciary duty to the owners of the company?
I believe - I do not know - that the stock buyback is an attempt to placate the hedge fund managers and large institutional investors that hold large blocks of DAL. Why do they need to be placated? Those same investors see that 1/4 of DAL's profits last year were paid to the employees in profitsharing, and they find that unpalatable. Not our problem you say? I agree. But it is management's problem, and they need to solve it hence the buyback. Actually, I agree with you in a sense as buying back $5 billion worth of stock will do nothing to move the stock price in any meaningful manner. (We have 800+ million shares outstanding) It's just business, nothing as nefarious as some make this out to be. If they REALLY wanted to enrich themselves they would attempt to take us private. Ask the NWA guys how well THAT works out.
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