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Old 06-16-2015, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by carl spackler
who...cares! Management is the one begging for a fast timeline, not us. If they still want a fast deal, they'll negotiate the concessions out. If not, we keep cashing the profit sharing checks and live without all the concessions.

We're finally in a great spot, now you and the mec administration are panicked to give away our position. Stunning.

Carl

^^^^^^^^^^^this!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:15 AM
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FYI

C2012 was a 30 day ratification.

Not 60.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I find it interesting that you like to say that the MEC's talking points are driving people to a no vote.
Find one post where I ever said it. You won't.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
FYI

C2012 was a 30 day ratification.

Not 60.
I'm glad they did the 30 day thing. In this world of instantaneous information transfer, there's no need.

Plus, I don't think I could stomach 60 days of this crap.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:20 AM
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I have now put "Professor" on ignore. I'd like to invite the rest of you to join me.

To put someone on "ignore", here is the procedure:

1. Click on the username; a dropbox will open below it
2. Click on "View public profile"
3. This will take you to their user page. Just underneath their username on the top right you will see two new dropboxes titled "Send message" and "user lists"
4. Click on "User lists"
5. Select "ignore user"
6. Confirm you selection
7. You will now no longer see the posts of that user
8. Win!!
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm glad they did the 30 day thing. In this world of instantaneous information transfer, there's no need.

Plus, I don't think I could stomach 60 days of this crap.
Absolutely agree.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Dude, REALLY?

YES. what you state is fact. And its a very very valid point to add in the pro/con debate.
REALLY, dude.

Just to clarify, Delta A330 pilots are paid approximately $ 22,080 (conservative estimate) a year less under this 2015 TA to fly the same airplane, the A330, as AMR due to the fact that Dalpa was unable to secure a pay rate that pattern bargains off APAs ability to negotiate 777 pay for their a330s.

Correct, professor?
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
REALLY, dude.

Just to clarify, Delta A330 pilots are paid approximately $ 22,080 a year less under this 2015 TA to fly the same airplane, the A330, as AMR due to the fact that Dalpa was unable to secure a pay rate that pattern bargains off APAs ability to negotiate 777 pay for their a330s.

Correct?
It looks like that is what the chart says.

The really, was in response to your need to characterize whatever I post as something trying to sell instead of educate.

When I say the 'facts are the facts' that should be up to everyone consuming the information on the TA to decide.

I will say it again. I do not care how anyone votes. My job is to try and find as much information as possible for people and help inform them to make a decision.

So once again, yes, as the chart says...as has always been the case and has never ever once been disputed...the AA 330 pays more than our 330.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
I have now put "Professor" on ignore. I'd like to invite the rest of you to join me.


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Edit: I have included BenderRodriguez as well. I hope you will join me.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
If you would like to post specifics about where the TA language differs from the NN I would be happy to address those disparities you find.
First item: "Why make changes to our Sick Leave program?"

Not our problem what management alleges about sick leave abuse. They have the power to fire pilots over it, and they don't. The notepad using this as their lead off item is Exhibit A of Stockholm Syndrome.

Second item: "Sick leave, what has not changed?"

Third bullet is such a distortion it is virtually a lie. Bullets 4, and 5 are complete falsehoods.

Third item: "Changes affecting sick leave"

The title alone tells the tale. Honesty would have dictated this section be entitled "Concessions negatively affecting sick leave" except for the last two bullets which are slight positives. The rest of the bullets are truly awful concessions that are spun as mere "changes."

I'm actually sick of responding anymore about this notepad. The rest just continues the falsehoods as stated above. The worst part is that their spin does not comport with the actual TA language. They're lying about what the TA actually says. Sad.

Carl
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