Details on Delta TA
06-16-2015, 06:50 AM
#9131
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We have a problem. In the past, you hardly ever meet a YES voter. There are none, until the vote is counted. These forums slam yes voters, and no mistake, there are 51%. They're sitting next to you, the chances are more than half the pilots you fly with will end up voting yes.
We are living in historic times, never has Delta made this much money, paid dividends or dreamed of buying back stock. Keep the message simple. Because when the company isn't doing this well, we all know they'll be demanding 40% of your pay rates and everything else they can grab. They'll shop for the best judge they can find to order it, they'll hire the best law firm to do their dirty work. This is our time to take back what was stolen under the darkness of bankruptcy.
We are living in historic times, never has Delta made this much money, paid dividends or dreamed of buying back stock. Keep the message simple. Because when the company isn't doing this well, we all know they'll be demanding 40% of your pay rates and everything else they can grab. They'll shop for the best judge they can find to order it, they'll hire the best law firm to do their dirty work. This is our time to take back what was stolen under the darkness of bankruptcy.
06-16-2015, 07:05 AM
#9132
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Persuading a Yes Voter to Change Their Vote
Yup. We need the middle 20 percent to kill this thing. Please be respectful because you don't want them voting yes just because they don't like you. Arm yourself with facts and stick to the ones you know to make a convincing argument. Our tribal leaders are selling Manhattan for a few sea shells.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ec-letter.html
DALPA has their talking points. If you oppose this, you should have your talking points ready, too. Become an APC P2P.
Ask how they are voting. If they say yes, offer them this information. Make it easy. Offer to email it to them. Suggest that they may want to consider another point of view. Don't press to hard. That just causes some personality types to dig in. Just offer the information.
If you are talking to a senior captain, talk about JV, scope, a loss of profit sharing in this environment. The raise isn't what it seems to be given inflation or the rates of 2004. Give them a copy. Ask them to read it.
If you are talking to a junior captain, repeat the points above and point out the cascade of LCA FO bidders that are senior to them that will slide over to their seat. Give them a copy. Point out that because of the JV, they will most likely never see a WB CA seat.
If you are talking to an FO, the list is too long.
The point is to identify what is important to the individual and get them thinking. More important is to find the 20% of undecided. Provide them with counter information. Make it easy for them.
When Ryan writes part II, it should be a doozy. Plan on passing that one along, too.
Attend the Roadshows, provide hard questions. Bullies need to be confronted. DALPA and DAL are the bullies.
Feel free to over achieve.
Orvil
06-16-2015, 07:08 AM
#9133
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The NMB can't park us. We have a signed, enforceable agreement that requires both sides to jointly petition for mediation in March of 2016. The hardest part of mediation is getting the NMB to agree to it. That hurdle has already been crossed.
06-16-2015, 07:14 AM
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06-16-2015, 07:16 AM
#9135
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easy
bender....this pilot group has a history of the company not having to 'take' anything from us.....
we simply give it away....because dalpa tells us if we don't something even worse will happen....
sound familiar?
we simply give it away....because dalpa tells us if we don't something even worse will happen....
sound familiar?
06-16-2015, 07:18 AM
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Care to discuss the issue or are you just going to interject hyperbole?
06-16-2015, 07:18 AM
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06-16-2015, 07:22 AM
#9138
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Make a few copies of this. Pass it along.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ec-letter.html
DALPA has their talking points. If you oppose this, you should have your talking points ready, too. Become an APC P2P.
Ask how they are voting. If they say yes, offer them this information. Make it easy. Offer to email it to them. Suggest that they may want to consider another point of view. Don't press to hard. That just causes some personality types to dig in. Just offer the information.
If you are talking to a senior captain, talk about JV, scope, a loss of profit sharing in this environment. The raise isn't what it seems to be given inflation or the rates of 2004. Give them a copy. Ask them to read it.
If you are talking to a junior captain, repeat the points above and point out the cascade of LCA FO bidders that are senior to them that will slide over to their seat. Give them a copy. Point out that because of the JV, they will most likely never see a WB CA seat.
If you are talking to an FO, the list is too long.
The point is to identify what is important to the individual and get them thinking. More important is to find the 20% of undecided. Provide them with counter information. Make it easy for them.
When Ryan writes part II, it should be a doozy. Plan on passing that one along, too.
Attend the Roadshows, provide hard questions. Bullies need to be confronted. DALPA and DAL are the bullies.
Feel free to over achieve.
Orvil
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ec-letter.html
DALPA has their talking points. If you oppose this, you should have your talking points ready, too. Become an APC P2P.
Ask how they are voting. If they say yes, offer them this information. Make it easy. Offer to email it to them. Suggest that they may want to consider another point of view. Don't press to hard. That just causes some personality types to dig in. Just offer the information.
If you are talking to a senior captain, talk about JV, scope, a loss of profit sharing in this environment. The raise isn't what it seems to be given inflation or the rates of 2004. Give them a copy. Ask them to read it.
If you are talking to a junior captain, repeat the points above and point out the cascade of LCA FO bidders that are senior to them that will slide over to their seat. Give them a copy. Point out that because of the JV, they will most likely never see a WB CA seat.
If you are talking to an FO, the list is too long.
The point is to identify what is important to the individual and get them thinking. More important is to find the 20% of undecided. Provide them with counter information. Make it easy for them.
When Ryan writes part II, it should be a doozy. Plan on passing that one along, too.
Attend the Roadshows, provide hard questions. Bullies need to be confronted. DALPA and DAL are the bullies.
Feel free to over achieve.
Orvil
Excellent.
I would add to the above the question: why is this vote being rushed?
A: Because most folks won't take the time to actually read the TA. They see the PAY PAY PAY, and become "yes" voters. MEC knows this and doesn't want to give people's starry eyes time to dull and actually see what else is in the contract. Because if they did, they would become "no" voters for all the reasons contained above (and in the letter to come).
Wanna get a "yes" voter to engage with you?
Ask: Do you realize MEC is playing you and all the other "yes" voters for fools? Let me show you how and why.
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06-16-2015, 07:27 AM
#9140
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The question everyone has to ask, I think, is this: are the pay increases worth the concessions? And only you can answer that.
IF this TA passes in 2018 Delta pilot pay will have increased 82% in a decade. So while the past may inform everyone's decision it is important to keep in mind the reality of our contract improvements (and give backs) of the last decade are NOT normal to the history of the industry.
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