Details on Delta TA
06-13-2015, 06:11 PM
#8571
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Now my understanding talking to someone from that vaunted 4th floor is that the company is angry about a sub group cashing out (abusing) their sick leave in a rather blatant and glorious way to any objective person but to the company's frustration it is all verified with a Doctor. So they want to get around that.
Automatic no vote, drop the mic, walk away, beg to get parked (which, by the way, will NEVER happen simply because we refuse to give concessions especially during 6+B/year record setting profits).
There is nothing the NMB can do to us that is worst than POS15.
06-13-2015, 06:21 PM
#8573
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Oh, so that's who wrote our strategic planning power point. Are they also helping the P2P guys on FB with their talking points?
They're an Atlanta based law firm founded by Michael Campbell who was also a VP for us, retired, then came back to handle these negotiations for management. The firm specializes in breaking unions and industrial psychological ops. Many posters here who came from the regionals know all too well the tactics they use. Specifically, co-opting Union leaders and weakening the target Union from the inside.
Carl
Carl
06-13-2015, 06:23 PM
#8574
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So let's assume there is no PS. what about that ? I'm willing to prove to anybody if you PM me that we are going to be in a total market disaster over next 3 years. THERE WILL BE NO PS !!!. Calculate that into this POS TA.
06-13-2015, 06:26 PM
#8575
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A lot of hot air and little in regard to plan b. One participant suggests that re engaging the company is plan b. I agree.
Now let's take the next step. Does RA reward the Delta pilots and capitulate? Or does he say lets see what the NMB says?
Everyone voting no should have an opinion here. Let's hear them. If you want a yes voter like me to consider your view you have to show me how it ends.
Now let's take the next step. Does RA reward the Delta pilots and capitulate? Or does he say lets see what the NMB says?
Everyone voting no should have an opinion here. Let's hear them. If you want a yes voter like me to consider your view you have to show me how it ends.
Here's what I think we should do:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897969
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897990
Last edited by Check Essential; 06-13-2015 at 06:38 PM.
06-13-2015, 06:29 PM
#8576
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Denny
06-13-2015, 06:30 PM
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When things recover, we will NEVER get the current PS tiers and levels back.
Oh and how cool will it be going in to a total market disaster with work rules that require fewer pilots and a JV system that looks at a foreign 380 the same as our 757 on a route? What if a rogue MEC chairman says its OK to paint any foreign airline DL and call it DL and use their pilots? Don't think Donatelli would do that? He's agreeing to that very language right now.
Pay is easier to lose in a downturn and is also much easier to get back than work rules. This TA hammers work rules and staffing while providing a huge fleet replacement in lower paying AC in exchange for a relatively modest raise in the best negotiating environment in industry history. If I was a manager thinking 4 steps ahead of the line swine playing a long game to absolutely dominate them, this is EXACTLY what I would be trying to do.
We're getting played. Hard. We're outmatched. Send it back and do it right, for as long as it takes.
06-13-2015, 06:30 PM
#8578
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06-13-2015, 06:34 PM
#8579
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I'm wondering if it levels out actual reserves through the month to keep weekends from dropping down to min as much (or simply raising the min if there is a "surplus" of reserves available for a given month). If that's the case that would be an earth shattering concession that would dramatically reduce GS assignments as well as abrogating the seniority of reserves and severely restrict schedule moves.
I'm hoping that's not what this is, but it fits the theme of deep concessions that reduce pilot staffing in exchange for modest pay rate increases.
I'm hoping that's not what this is, but it fits the theme of deep concessions that reduce pilot staffing in exchange for modest pay rate increases.
06-13-2015, 06:35 PM
#8580
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So it's true. Another Easter egg in this TA. Now we're giving the MEC Chairman discretion to facilitate more outsourced flying cleverly disguised as Delta. And with MEC chairmen like we've had from Lee Moak to present, I think we all know how that's going to go. More proactive engagement at any cost.
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