Details on Delta TA
08-23-2014, 09:21 PM
#811
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Wait, USAirways exited bankruptcy in 2005, UAL exited Bankruptcy in 2006, Delta didn't exit bankruptcy until 2007. We all went through mergers and had opportunities to improve our contracts and USAirways and UAL had a 1-2 year head start exiting bankruptcy, yet DAL has a better contract.
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08-23-2014, 09:27 PM
#812
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I just checked APC and it shows SWA 737 CA rates at $216 and DAL 747/777 rates at $263. Also, SWA doesn't have a 15% 401k contribution. Where are you getting your numbers?
08-23-2014, 09:30 PM
#813
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Carl, a strike wasn't on the table at the time we negotiated the Delta Dot. That happened about a year later if I recall.
08-23-2014, 09:32 PM
#814
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We were talking about your plan. Do you not want to talk about your plan anymore? Are you going to run for office and walk into the NMB with your plan?
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08-23-2014, 09:38 PM
#815
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PATCO were government employees, and as such, their contract contained a no-strike clause. Our contract does not.
If we demanded a contract that led the industry in every measure, and the NMB threatened to not release us, it could be argued that it would be the NMB that was violating the law by misusing their charter to remove the legal right to strike.
The PATCO comparison is absolutely apples and oranges.
Carl
If we demanded a contract that led the industry in every measure, and the NMB threatened to not release us, it could be argued that it would be the NMB that was violating the law by misusing their charter to remove the legal right to strike.
The PATCO comparison is absolutely apples and oranges.
Carl
08-23-2014, 09:44 PM
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First why don't you answer the questions instead of attack fellow pilots? Let's review:
So we trade a productivity concession for pay?
How much do you think this productivity concession you propose is worth, particularly if its only for 4 months? Do you think that RA will write a billion dollars worth of improvements into our contract for this concession?
So we trade a productivity concession for pay?
How much do you think this productivity concession you propose is worth, particularly if its only for 4 months? Do you think that RA will write a billion dollars worth of improvements into our contract for this concession?
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08-23-2014, 10:01 PM
#820
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It takes a lot longer to train up and replace 12,000 ATP pilots than it does to train up a 11 thousand ATC guys. Many of my college friends were controllers who went on strike, and a few month later, many of my furloughed American Airlines friends replaced them, with only a few weeks training, until they were recalled to AA 3 years later (1984).
Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (1968) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In the wake of the strike and mass firings, the FAA was faced with the task of hiring and training enough controllers to replace those that had been fired, a hard problem to fix as, at the time, it took three years in normal conditions to train a new controller.They were replaced initially with nonparticipating controllers, supervisors, staff personnel, some nonrated personnel, and in some cases by controllers transferred temporarily from other facilities. Some military controllers were also used until replacements could be trained. The FAA had initially claimed that staffing levels would be restored within two years; however, it would take closer to ten years before the overall staffing levels returned to normal."
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