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Old 06-12-2015, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Amen Brother!
Originally Posted by Professor
https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...d=0&TabId=2593

hope this helps.

Full amended language.
Prof, thanks for the work you are putting into this forum.

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Old 06-12-2015, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdrick
An added "benefit" for Reserve pilots....no more waiting until 10am to start short call on your first day back brought to you courtesy of 23.S.5.d

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Exception one: A widebody category pilot may be assigned a FRMS short call on the first on-call day following an off day block if the short call is placed on his schedule no later than 1200 (pilot’s base time) on the last on-call day prior to the beginning of the off day block. The pilot will be on rest from the time the pilot was assigned short call prior to the beginning of the off day block until the start of the FRMS short call.
So.. you're on reserve MF every week, ends today. So at 11:30 today on Friday they can give you a 4am SC on Monday?
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Understanding the steps to self-help in the RLA is imperative for any unionized worker in the transportation industry. They can be pretty intricate for the first time user. DAL has never gotten to the final steps of this process. I don't think they have ever made it to mediation. NWA is all too familiar with it. Once you learn the process, the steps fall into place.

Except for C2012, bankruptcy, and the JCBA, I pretty sure we have been in mediation for every contract negotiation since I've been here...

The first step doesn't take place until the end of the year. We are well ahead of that with the voluntary negotiations that have just concluded.

If this TA is rejected, there is nothing to stop either the Company or DALPA from reengaging in negotiations prior to the amendable date at the end of the year. In fairness, I have to point out that both sides would have to agree to it. There is nothing to compel them other than mutual self-interest.
If we do not have a deal by March 31, 2016, both parties agree to jointly petition the NMB for mediation.

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Old 06-12-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So.. you're on reserve MF every week, ends today. So at 11:30 today on Friday they can give you a 4am SC on Monday?
Wouldn't that just ABSOLUTELY SUCK? vote accordingly
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:11 PM
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I also heard about a week or two ago that the E190s were signed for. Didn't know about the 739s.
The 737's are replacements anyway even if they do come so who cares?
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So.. you're on reserve MF every week, ends today. So at 11:30 today on Friday they can give you a 4am SC on Monday?
Oh HELL NAW!

This TA has so many single issue NO things in it we should be begging to be thrown in the briar patch of the NMB.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Gunfighter, don't shoot down the 150 because it unrealistic. Realize that aircraft block hours is the metric and the JV protection in this agreement do IN FACT make a c150 crossing the Atlantic equal to 5 A380s flying the same route.
I wouldn't shoot down a C150, but I have intercepted a few. All kidding aside, the block hour ratio in place of EASK is a huge concession. I could get behind a 60/40 split, min size on Delta flown JV aircraft and forced compliance on the existing JV.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Here is my take. For this contract, I think it is too late to change horses in mid stream. That being said, if this TA passes and becomes our contract, I will fill out a DPA card and send it in. It's sad to me. Never in a million years thought I would say that....

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It won't matter Denny. In fact, you could make the case that DALPA would be the better choice if this passes because ALL our negotiating leverage will be gone with that new Scope. Acting as if you have no leverage in negotiations is what DALPA does best. We'll need to be REALLY nice to management and hope they reward us for niceness if this passes.

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Old 06-12-2015, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
The first thing to come to grips with is the fact that no matter how you slice it, it is more money. It is more money period. For Delta dudes (gender neutral use of dude) it gets us to C2K + a little. No it is not inflation adjusted. For fNWA it gets the highest rates ++inflation. on average the same equipment is their highest rates plus 20% or more.
There are a lot of ways to slice this where it is less money than what we have. In an international category the JV language ensures you will have less flying available. The LCA bidding means the trips at any given seniority level will be less desirable than previously available at that level. Look at the Wide Report two or three pages below your current line to get a view of where you will be with 75% of OE time removed. I go from 17 hour three day trips down to 16 hour trips with the same report and release times. That alone is a 5% pay reduction. Hourly rates will adjust upward from AA UAL also.

There are lots of ways to slice this so we lose money with higher rates.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:37 PM
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Credit where credit is due.

Just think about how extraordinarily difficult it must have been for the Delta negotiators to keep from falling out of their chairs laughing every time they sat down with the DALPA NC.

They deserve a huge raise.
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