Details on Delta TA
06-12-2015, 07:28 AM
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Scope is better for the company...they are immediately in compliance. The downside of block hours vs EASK potentially dismantles delta transatlantic flying.
I say potentially because I'm being truthful. You have to look at worst case, not best case, in contract language.
I say potentially because I'm being truthful. You have to look at worst case, not best case, in contract language.
Carl
06-12-2015, 07:28 AM
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Everyone else is focused on the rates and has had the mantra C2004 plus inflation. This contract with the pay rate increase plus profit sharing based on projected profits for 2017 gives us that.
Plus with the projected pay rates there is downside protection. This contract has improvements and concessions in other areas which are being debated.
It's about the money as well as QOL.
Plus with the projected pay rates there is downside protection. This contract has improvements and concessions in other areas which are being debated.
It's about the money as well as QOL.
06-12-2015, 07:29 AM
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Just catching up on posts, I will respond to some of the questions as I can here on the JV and anything anyone else has asked me.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
Why the expedited time line for the vote? Is it true it will close 7/10...just 5 days BEFORE 2nd quarter earnings report?
I hope you can appreciate why so many us think DAPLA has a HUGE credibility issue.
06-12-2015, 07:31 AM
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As of July we have 441 positions paying top of scale. The eventual $330/hr, if we gain 350s as we retire 747s, only 3.5% of the list will get those rates at any given time. Sorry to say but you won't see that. And if and when you do you should already have a nice 401k or other plan that was established from all your Narrowbody flying. I'll never see it and I plan to retire at 60.
06-12-2015, 07:32 AM
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[QUOTE=ERflyer;1902686]I'm okay with my name on there.
I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.
I agree they don't have an "evil agenda" but they only want to highlight certain facts.
I have heard a few Reps said something along the lines of "The Pilots deserve a vote on the TA that is why I am voting to send it to MEMRAT."
Well that would be great if they objectively posted the TA with a analysis of the good and the bad elements. But the used car salesmen pitch make me want to puke.
I would have much more respect for DALPA is they simply said "Guys this is the best we can get, It has a bunch of good things in it and a bunch of concessions - vote how you see fit."
But no, we get - "This TA is great if you dont vote yes you will be losing millions of dollars every second."
Why does every TVM analysis not factor in RETRO pay? The last time DALPA actually played hardball (C2000) I believe we got RETRO pay - why do we assume zero RETRO pay? Perhaps to scare and intimidate fence sitters?
Scoop
I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.
I agree they don't have an "evil agenda" but they only want to highlight certain facts.
I have heard a few Reps said something along the lines of "The Pilots deserve a vote on the TA that is why I am voting to send it to MEMRAT."
Well that would be great if they objectively posted the TA with a analysis of the good and the bad elements. But the used car salesmen pitch make me want to puke.
I would have much more respect for DALPA is they simply said "Guys this is the best we can get, It has a bunch of good things in it and a bunch of concessions - vote how you see fit."
But no, we get - "This TA is great if you dont vote yes you will be losing millions of dollars every second."
Why does every TVM analysis not factor in RETRO pay? The last time DALPA actually played hardball (C2000) I believe we got RETRO pay - why do we assume zero RETRO pay? Perhaps to scare and intimidate fence sitters?
Scoop
06-12-2015, 07:32 AM
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Now the compressed timeline is announced because of the concern for recalls and the MEC administration being purged. This admin has to stay in place to lie about what's in the TA, or the TA can't pass.
Carl
06-12-2015, 07:33 AM
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Everyone else is focused on the rates and has had the mantra C2004 plus inflation. This contract with the pay rate increase plus profit sharing based on projected profits for 2017 gives us that.
Plus with the projected pay rates there is downside protection. This contract has improvements and concessions in other areas which are being debated.
It's about the money as well as QOL.
Plus with the projected pay rates there is downside protection. This contract has improvements and concessions in other areas which are being debated.
It's about the money as well as QOL.
You and the previously-mentioned 747A are an example of what goes wrong in unions: eventually, it changes from "What can we use our unity to achieve for us?" to "What can I use our union to achieve for me?"
When that happens, the union crumbles into division and ineffectiveness.
Still, some will be just as happy when that happens, because they'll be at the top of the pile of rubble rather than underneath it.
06-12-2015, 07:38 AM
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And that's EXACTLY why Richard wanted to rush us into this POS AGAIN!
What is mind boggling to me is, how did our MEC not see this coming?
It's the exact same playbook Management used in 2012, but Delta is earning BILLIONS more now!
But our Strategic Planning Committee had NO PLAN! NONE!
Bending over and getting spanked while shouting, "Thank you Sir, May I have another!" is not a plan for a Historic Contract!
What is mind boggling to me is, how did our MEC not see this coming?
It's the exact same playbook Management used in 2012, but Delta is earning BILLIONS more now!
But our Strategic Planning Committee had NO PLAN! NONE!
Bending over and getting spanked while shouting, "Thank you Sir, May I have another!" is not a plan for a Historic Contract!
Carl
06-12-2015, 07:40 AM
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Just a little interesting tidbit. Had a SWA jumpseater yesterday. We, of course, were talking about the TA. He said the rumor over there is that SWAPA and their management were within hours of signing a TA when news of ours came out. Unclear whether the union or management (or both) stopped negotiations, but they were stopped to see what was in ours.
Again, no clue of how accurate it is, it's just what the guy said.
Again, no clue of how accurate it is, it's just what the guy said.
06-12-2015, 07:42 AM
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I'd rather live indefinitely under our current contract than under this giant POS TA ever.
The last time I was this disappointed was letter 51.
At least we were in the BK process, but this TA was reached in the most profitable history of the airline -ever! My printer tray has had a DPA card on it for the last 24 hours.
After I see the lounge dog and pony show, I honestly will know for sure if I'm going to be stamping and posting it. Never thought I would ever do something like this, but here I stand.
The last time I was this disappointed was letter 51.
At least we were in the BK process, but this TA was reached in the most profitable history of the airline -ever! My printer tray has had a DPA card on it for the last 24 hours.
After I see the lounge dog and pony show, I honestly will know for sure if I'm going to be stamping and posting it. Never thought I would ever do something like this, but here I stand.
Carl
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