Details on Delta TA
06-12-2015, 06:55 AM
#7961
Doesn't Get Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,598
Unless the automatic yes voters can be reached.
That's going to be the key in this battle. There are unfortunately a large number of Delta pilots who don't attend road shows, who certainly don't read this forum and who are barely aware that we have a new contract, let alone know what's in it.
They have busy lives and don't want to be bothered. Union politics bores them.
They figure they pay a lot of dues to ALPA to worry about all that stuff and they will do whatever ALPA recommends.
Those are the guys who have to be reached.
That's going to be the key in this battle. There are unfortunately a large number of Delta pilots who don't attend road shows, who certainly don't read this forum and who are barely aware that we have a new contract, let alone know what's in it.
They have busy lives and don't want to be bothered. Union politics bores them.
They figure they pay a lot of dues to ALPA to worry about all that stuff and they will do whatever ALPA recommends.
Those are the guys who have to be reached.
As bad as it is, if we don't somehow match the sales job the MEC is doing, it will be a close one.
06-12-2015, 06:59 AM
#7962
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 618
Just catching up on posts, I will respond to some of the questions as I can here on the JV and anything anyone else has asked me.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
06-12-2015, 07:05 AM
#7963
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
Had a 747A guy poke his head in the cockpit to say hi the other day. He says, "Did you guys see the rates on the TA! $330/Hr! Wow!" He was almost drooling. I asked how he liked the sick time, EASK swap, LCA bidding, etc. Looked like a deer in the headlights. Said he hadn't looked at any of the other stuff because it probably won't effect him.
As bad as it is, if we don't somehow match the sales job the MEC is doing, it will be a close one.
As bad as it is, if we don't somehow match the sales job the MEC is doing, it will be a close one.
06-12-2015, 07:12 AM
#7964
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 329
I'm one of those 747a guys with six yrs left and this TA STINKS!! You guys really need to go to Dalpa web and read thru this pile of crap. Pay rates funded by PS. SICK NATZI THIRD PARTY. AND THIS EFFECTS EVERYONE THAT CALLS IN SICK EVEN ONE TIME A YR. your job is on the line with this new section 14
06-12-2015, 07:14 AM
#7965
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,456
Just catching up on posts, I will respond to some of the questions as I can here on the JV and anything anyone else has asked me.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
To answer someone's FPL question. Its 4days. I got paid for one 4d trip to attend the MEC meeting. And the remainder of my time on here and elsewhere, lounges, phone calls etc. will be on my now time until we vote on a TA.
06-12-2015, 07:19 AM
#7966
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
Then when he asks what do you mean you can explain the JV.
But seriously, I'd fly a c150 for 200k per year over anything we have
as long as the FA is cute.... and female. And my wife. Who is sitting right next to me...
06-12-2015, 07:20 AM
#7967
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,418
Plus with the projected pay rates there is downside protection. This contract has improvements and concessions in other areas which are being debated.
It's about the money as well as QOL.
06-12-2015, 07:22 AM
#7968
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 2,591
06-12-2015, 07:22 AM
#7969
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Starboard Side, weekends & holidays.
Posts: 856
I'm okay with my name on there.
I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.
I know what you're saying about "this environment". I think that too but I also look at APPL with 1/5 of a trillion in the bank and printing money and their employees are paid what they're worth. They're not all getting 100% raises. There is not a 1:1 correlation with profit to pay raise. I think our pay rates are based on what American just got. They got we were making based on our profit sharing. It's a vicious circle. We're not going to get pay rates 15% more than American plus a profit sharing check for 20%.
I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.
I know what you're saying about "this environment". I think that too but I also look at APPL with 1/5 of a trillion in the bank and printing money and their employees are paid what they're worth. They're not all getting 100% raises. There is not a 1:1 correlation with profit to pay raise. I think our pay rates are based on what American just got. They got we were making based on our profit sharing. It's a vicious circle. We're not going to get pay rates 15% more than American plus a profit sharing check for 20%.
During a time of record profits, AAPL isn't asking it's employees to shorten their lunch breaks or give up more control over which shifts they work at the Apple store.
It's the work rule changes in this TA that are a deal breaker for me.
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