Ragtop Day

"An objective of the Delta pilots was to improve and tighten compliance measurements. Existing language allowed the Company a three (3) year measurement period and a one year cure period. Contract 2015 tightens this language to a one (1) year measurement period. Should the Company be out of compliance, the Company must return to our capacity share within one-year. Compliance metrics have been simplified with the use of “aircraft block hours” instead of the “equivalent available seat kilometers” used in the commercial agreement. The Company will now be in compliance with our agreement, as demanded by the Delta pilots."

Professor, I know you are just copying the info so not directed at you.

Alpa is absolutely crazy. I demand that Delta honor our contracted scope, not that it be ignored and rewritten to put them in compliance. There are no words to describe how disappointing this statement is.

Flamer

Thanks for the health tip. Not sure what you mean by sharpshoot. I have enough details. If studying is going to help you look in the mirror after your yes vote, go for it.

This is so far out of bounds that generalities replace details just fine.

Grumpyaviator

A closed group can be formed and fpl types, mgmt, and union officers can be kept out. It would be solely a tool for pilots to post what they have discovered to be unacceptable in the TA. We used this at XJT and in a few days almost half the pilot group were members of the group. This group was the turning point of the TA, and could not be controlled by the MEC or the company.

Conversation was kept to evaluation of the TA and nothing questionable was said by members that might have gotten them in trouble.

BenderRodriguez

That doesn't make sense.

JungleBus

Yeah, no shiat (as an FO the LCA provision needs no study at all and is clearly a screw job). The arguments you put forth ring hollow when the very most obvious "benefit" of going to block hours is to belatedly put the company in compliance as touted in your statement I quoted above. Can you really not see how well and truly bonkers that sounds? It's nutty enough to merit being referred to Delta Health Services!!!

BenderRodriguez

There might be downside protections as you say, but in my mind the fail here is that we didn't get any protection via verbage in the grievance settlement. That should have been done before we agreed to this thing. In other words, we took the hush money, and waited to lower the bar in the TA. Problem solved. And what did we get for that? $2500. big deal. The other thing I see is that there are "threats" as to how we would be harmed if AF parks an A380. They didn't pull down ANY flying in the last 3 years which resulted in DAL being out of compliance on the EASK metric, so what on earth would lead me to believe that they are gong to park those God awful things now? If anything, the addition of the 330s which will not be fully realized before the supposed end of this contract would put us back into the EASK compliance. I have no idea why 350s are even mentioned in this thing. They are going to have zero practical effect on this contract.

Flyinbayeaux

So Professor,

I'm relatively new here.
From what I've read you're a PTP guy.
If so does that mean you are on FPL? If so, for how long?
Are you specifically assigned to this forum by ALPA or is this a choice you made?

Not judging but I like to know how my dues money is being spent.

dalad

There is a group-Delta Pilots TA Vote it's a secret closed group

EdGrimley

I asked you to provide untilted truthful information.

One of your very next posts....

"The use of aircraft block hours provides better downside protection since the reduction of a single Air France A380 is roughly the available seat kilometer equivalent parking of two Delta A330s. When Delta upgrades capacity an aircraft block hour ratio avoids any penalties from replacing B767-300ERs or 757s with A330s and A350s."

Where is the opposite scenario clearly spelling out potential downside?? You know, Delta using 737 ETOPS while Air France adds more 777-300's and A380 on a one for one basis??! Aren't 737's the airplane we have the most orders for now?

Further, in C2012, we were told emphatically pilot block hours was the most effective way to measure and protect our fair percent of flying.

Sailingfun, who apparently was in the inner circle at the time, has repeatedly stated that pilot block hours is the end all be all to production balance so many times I've lost track.

Now suddenly it's aircraft block hours. Again, C2012 pilot block hours and a 3 years look back, 1 year cure. There was all kinds of fancy presentations on why this was so great. Let's not forget, that agreement had NO CLEARLY SPELLED OUT PENALTY for noncompliance. Ultimately we had very little to hold the companies feet to the fire and ended up getting peanuts in return. Care to tell us what the specific, measurable penalty is this time? Oh, Richard didn't want that. Got it.

Btw, this noncompliance stuff is reminding me of the Delta Private Jets violation. Instead of demanding compliance, with some prodding from Richard DALPA simply changed the agreement to allow Delta what they were doing. Forgive and forget and all that.

You guys are contradicting yourselves. It appears you just say whatever is convenient to sell what Richard has decided to engage early negotiations for. DALPA no longer has a leg to stand on. Credibility = shot. Based upon how we have seen your promises play out previously, my money is on Richard for the win.

PS- These statements below....

"Flying to Latin American and trans-Pacific has grown and this growth far exceeds the shortfall in the trans-Atlantic agreement.

There is no data to support the conclusion that the change to a Block Hour metric has, or will, cost a single job. Delta has fully deployed it’s international wide body fleet into markets it can most profitably serve. Wide-body utilization has increased and is very high.

Delta will continue to deploy its fleet most profitably. 50% is not a goal, it is a downside protection. Nothing prevents the Company from flying more than 50%. The reality is that the Company is growing our percentage of flying."

Pure marketing fluff.

Hank Kingsley

Bottom line is your trading profit sharing for pay raises. Fool me once..., Prof and Bender, we are in a historically profitable era, the most in the history of the industry. We took 46% pay cuts and lost our pensions. The company is paying dividends, when in the history of Delta have they done that. Buying billions and billions of dollars of stock back. Stop the sales job. How can a throttle pushing, short sleeve wearing Delta pilot do that?