Details on Delta TA
06-11-2015, 11:41 AM
#7771
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Another turd?
Im no expert on lawyer PWA speak....but am I reading 23.Q.7.f exception 1 right? The whole section is in red. It basically says if you call in sick for a trip, and put in a gs for later in the month.....they will use the FAR flight time and duty times from the missed trip (sick trip) to calculate the FAR flight and duty limits when determining if they can legally assign you the GS?
Is this right? So, if I call in sick....I am risking NOT getting a GS later in the month?
Is this right? So, if I call in sick....I am risking NOT getting a GS later in the month?
06-11-2015, 11:42 AM
#7772
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06-11-2015, 11:45 AM
#7773
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Thanks, just read it and I actually do have a question.
MEC says it shut it down as it grew closer to a vote. I don't think that's true. All the comments came AFTER the vote and AFTER the highlights email went out.
It seems it only got shutdown after "lotsa" scathing comments.
Not exactly "accurate" on their part. I'll withhold judgement on "truthfulness".
MEC says it shut it down as it grew closer to a vote. I don't think that's true. All the comments came AFTER the vote and AFTER the highlights email went out.
It seems it only got shutdown after "lotsa" scathing comments.
Not exactly "accurate" on their part. I'll withhold judgement on "truthfulness".
Last edited by formerdal; 06-11-2015 at 11:54 AM. Reason: Original poster corrected while I responded
06-11-2015, 11:53 AM
#7775
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I just remember skimming through the various points of this "TA", for the first time, a couple of days ago. I went through a sequence of thoughts/emotions.
1. That's it?
2. Is this some kind of sick joke?
3. This document is a fake. (It wasn't)
4. Did we get sold out?
5. Anger
6. Rage
7. Resolve
You know what you have to do.
1. That's it?
2. Is this some kind of sick joke?
3. This document is a fake. (It wasn't)
4. Did we get sold out?
5. Anger
6. Rage
7. Resolve
You know what you have to do.
06-11-2015, 11:53 AM
#7776
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I am teasing. I like your factual transmission of information, but I never did hear back from you on how you thought the JV changes might be good for us. And don't make me go back and look for the quote!
I am in the Denny Crane camp, vote NO, early and often
06-11-2015, 11:55 AM
#7777
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I just remember skimming through the various points of this "TA", for the first time, a couple of days ago. I went through a sequence of thoughts/emotions.
1. That's it?
2. Is this some kind of sick joke?
3. This document is a fake. (It wasn't)
4. Did we get sold out?
5. Anger
6. Rage
7. Resolve
You know what you have to do.
1. That's it?
2. Is this some kind of sick joke?
3. This document is a fake. (It wasn't)
4. Did we get sold out?
5. Anger
6. Rage
7. Resolve
You know what you have to do.
The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:[2]
Denial — One of the first reactions is denial, wherein the survivor imagines a false, preferable reality.
Anger — When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would God let this happen?".
Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use anything valuable against another human agency to extend or prolong the life. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.
Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual becomes saddened by the certainty of death. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.
Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
Except I don't plan on getting to #5!
06-11-2015, 11:58 AM
#7778
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Position: MD88/90 CA
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Sounds like the five stages of grief:
The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:[2]
Denial — One of the first reactions is denial, wherein the survivor imagines a false, preferable reality.
Anger — When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would God let this happen?".
Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use anything valuable against another human agency to extend or prolong the life. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.
Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual becomes saddened by the certainty of death. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.
Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
Except I don't plan on getting to #5!
The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:[2]
Denial — One of the first reactions is denial, wherein the survivor imagines a false, preferable reality.
Anger — When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would God let this happen?".
Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use anything valuable against another human agency to extend or prolong the life. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.
Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual becomes saddened by the certainty of death. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.
Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
Except I don't plan on getting to #5!
06-11-2015, 12:07 PM
#7779
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THats what most said in C2012 but it passed. How?? Well, Either the
#1) memrat voting is corrupt
or
#2) the MEC spin machine is so good it can sell 60%+ of 12500 pilots.
IF #2) then why cant they sell management on restoration plus inflation? Kind of strange, dont you think?
TEN
#1) memrat voting is corrupt
or
#2) the MEC spin machine is so good it can sell 60%+ of 12500 pilots.
IF #2) then why cant they sell management on restoration plus inflation? Kind of strange, dont you think?
TEN
06-11-2015, 12:08 PM
#7780
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Position: Truck-boat-truck
Posts: 3
Rep email
Hermon,
I would like to thank you for your hard work regarding the TA. I realize it's a thankless job most of the time.
However, I disagree with your vote on this TA. I will say that my views are accurately reflected by the remarks that have been posted by the Council 66 Chairman explaining his "no" vote.
It's really not about the pay/PS. Although, it is anemic. I understand RA wants to reduce the amount of PS, but I expected that to be offset with significantly better training/vacation pay. Instead, concessions like LCA trip holdback and sick leave tweaks are included.
Further, I just read the Strategic Planning file regarding our options if this is voted down. It's no plan at all. It's just another PRO stance. Not even one mention of retroactive pay as a possibility. This omission is disingenuous.
Obviously, I am not in favor of this TA.
Finally, the MEC Chairman's admonition to not turn this down because there is nothing more to gain really disappointed. Sounded like something I would expect management to say.
Regards,
Early
I would like to thank you for your hard work regarding the TA. I realize it's a thankless job most of the time.
However, I disagree with your vote on this TA. I will say that my views are accurately reflected by the remarks that have been posted by the Council 66 Chairman explaining his "no" vote.
It's really not about the pay/PS. Although, it is anemic. I understand RA wants to reduce the amount of PS, but I expected that to be offset with significantly better training/vacation pay. Instead, concessions like LCA trip holdback and sick leave tweaks are included.
Further, I just read the Strategic Planning file regarding our options if this is voted down. It's no plan at all. It's just another PRO stance. Not even one mention of retroactive pay as a possibility. This omission is disingenuous.
Obviously, I am not in favor of this TA.
Finally, the MEC Chairman's admonition to not turn this down because there is nothing more to gain really disappointed. Sounded like something I would expect management to say.
Regards,
Early
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