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Old 06-10-2015, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Good debate. Reps speaking passionately on both sides.
Gut feeling from the cheap seats:

It's going to pass.

Some of the yes votes don't necessarily like it but they feel that they must let the line pilots make the final call.
That's an abdication of responsibility and they should be recalled immediately. I don't care which way they vote as long as they are invested in their position.

I'm with you Ferd...................VOTE ALREADY!!!!!

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Old 06-10-2015, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Debate/vote starting.
Anyone at meeting able to post breakdown for the way each LEC votes?
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
By my count 17 of the 19 voting reps have spoken and indicated which way they plan to vote. Currently sitting at 9 for, 8 against...the actual vote has yet to take place.
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:04 PM
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Always easier to pass the buck. My faith in this union rests on knowing I have reps that will stand up for the line pilot. I hope that the result reflects the will of their constituents, not the will of the MEC.
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
Delta Air Lines Inc Stock: Profit Sharing Reduction Helps Offset 15% Increase, Says Credit Suisse

Credit Suisse noted that the fixed increase of 15% by the amendable date is slightly more than it expected, but the profit sharing offset is more significant at this point. With the 20% profit sharing threshold moving to $6 billion for all employees, the firm expects approximately $500 million of potential savings, compared to $2.5 billion of threshold. The firm believes that this will be large enough saving to offset the fixed increase of 15% for pilots, giving extra cost of approximately $400 million.

Credit Suisse has math troubles!!
Assume Delta makes 6 Billion

Old method = 2.5B * 10% + 3.5B * 20% = 950 million for all emploees.

New method = 6B * 10% = 600 million for all employees.

So, the difference for all employees is 350 million. You figure the pilot share of that is maybe 150 million at the most, but there is no way you can have the savings for just the pilots be more than the total for all employees!
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Any rep pushing a yes vote on this TA needs to be recalled. Including MEC chairman.. They obviously have a different view on what is acceptable compared to the vast majority of the line pilots.
"They have a different view than me based on information I'm not privy too! I don't like it! RECALL" You should use the word "entitled" too to make your trolling complete.
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Giving the line pilots the final call is a total COP OUT!
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
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Lord give me patience.......and give it to me NOW! <-----one of my church lady mom's favorite prayers
Still haven't called the vote, but it's now 11-8 in favor of memrat
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Good debate. Reps speaking passionately on both sides.
Gut feeling from the cheap seats:

It's going to pass.

Some of the yes votes don't necessarily like it but they feel that they must let the line pilots make the final call.
Thanks for the info. For the record, I think the talking point "the pilots deserve to vote on this" is a cop out. The reps know this is a stinker. I have no doubt if they took a few minutes to read their emails and answer their phones the answer would be easy...NO!

The insiders working with F&H want to get it to a membership vote because they know some dazzling graphs and some misdirection might get to yes. Just look at what they are doing now (ie censorship and dubious lopsided presentation of the info, etc). Not the way this should operate.
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
Credit Suisse has math troubles!!
Assume Delta makes 6 Billion

Old method = 2.5B * 10% + 3.5B * 20% = 950 million for all emploees.

New method = 6B * 10% = 600 million for all employees.

So, the difference for all employees is 350 million. You figure the pilot share of that is maybe 150 million at the most, but there is no way you can have the savings for just the pilots be more than the total for all employees!
AND.....when it gets out to the other employee groups that our raise was financed with their profit sharing, we're going to be real popular around campus
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