Details on Delta TA
06-10-2015, 12:59 PM
#7301
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06-10-2015, 01:04 PM
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United and American both pay the a330 and the 767-400 in the same band as the 777.
Incidentally, they pay the 747 and a380 in a separate band.
Soon, we will have no 747s and will be a predominately an a330 airline.
ALPA prides themselves on pattern bargaining, which you well know how it works.
They out right failed by being unable to match those rates.
So, for a guy like you oh has been relegated to 767 for what likely is the remainder of your short career here, unless you get lucky enough to hold an a330, you will never see the financial gains that an AMR or UAL pilot will for doing the same job on the same airplane.
06-10-2015, 01:08 PM
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Seems this could be yet another potential lawsuit (ALPA seems to be good at attracting these). If this language remains in the TA, effectively stripping pilots not in agreement to surrendering their HIPPA rights, regardless of a popular vote, this could lead to legal action.
Keeping medical information private (it has certificate implications) is a very high priority for most pilots. Not to mention the diminished safety (pilot pushing) of threatening/harassing pilots to fly "or else we will conduct our own audit/interpretation of what your medical records say". Further, there is deeply personal and potentially embarrassing info wrapped into your medical records. Do you want people rifling around there that don't belong? It's really insane this is being proposed and signed off by those who are supposed to represent and protect your rights. So many things wrong with this TA.
Keeping medical information private (it has certificate implications) is a very high priority for most pilots. Not to mention the diminished safety (pilot pushing) of threatening/harassing pilots to fly "or else we will conduct our own audit/interpretation of what your medical records say". Further, there is deeply personal and potentially embarrassing info wrapped into your medical records. Do you want people rifling around there that don't belong? It's really insane this is being proposed and signed off by those who are supposed to represent and protect your rights. So many things wrong with this TA.
06-10-2015, 01:09 PM
#7307
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So obtuse you are .
United and American both pay the a330 and the 767-400 in the same band as the 777.
Incidental, they pay the 747 and a380 in a separate band.
Soon, we will have no 747s and will be a predominately an a330 airline.
ALPA prides themselves on pattern bargaining, which you well know how it works.
They out right failed by being unable to match those rates.
So, for a guy like you oh has been relegated to 767 for what likely is the remainder of your short career here, unless you get lucky enough to hold an a330, you will never see the financial gains that an AMR or UAL pilot will for doing the same job on the same airplane.
United and American both pay the a330 and the 767-400 in the same band as the 777.
Incidental, they pay the 747 and a380 in a separate band.
Soon, we will have no 747s and will be a predominately an a330 airline.
ALPA prides themselves on pattern bargaining, which you well know how it works.
They out right failed by being unable to match those rates.
So, for a guy like you oh has been relegated to 767 for what likely is the remainder of your short career here, unless you get lucky enough to hold an a330, you will never see the financial gains that an AMR or UAL pilot will for doing the same job on the same airplane.
The pay banding argument (and others
) have been made ad nauseam only to the retorts of "But. Bigger. has. To. Pay. More. Because. They make. More. For. the. Company." NOW, you want pay banding like AAL. Why is that? And it is I that is being obtuse? Seriously Clark?Oh, and I am very happy on the 767. Even if I could hold the 330 I have zero intention of bidding it thank you very much.
06-10-2015, 01:09 PM
#7308
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I'm just going on what I'm hearing from q and a. That is what I heard. And I can only imagine, giving them carte Blanche to set up an independent Gestapo squad that they will go all out. THIS was what I said in 2012. This is the endgame. This is all about control over YOU. The only way to stop this is to stop playing the game we are being forced to play by DALPA at the company's behest. DALPA wants the raise. They don't care how they get it.
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