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Old 06-10-2015, 10:47 AM
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[QUOTE=Professor;1900731]I could be. But I am not.

I am very happy to stop answering questions.[/QUOTE

If the union hadn't pulled down the old forum, that would be the place to answer questions. This smells of desperation. The TA is subpar, plain and simple. By all means, keep answering.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:49 AM
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Hank, if I were in your position I would not disagree.

That is exactly what it looks like. I don't have all the details as to why, but there should be a statement soon. Really.

But again, please keep discussing here and elsewhere the merits and de-merits of the proposed TA. Thanks.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
You're claiming to represent my union, how do we know who you are? You could be anyone. Spreading inaccurate information. This stinks. I think it's borderline unethical. What do the alpa lawyers say?
Authenticate BZ43. This is the web man. Take it for what it's worth and do your own homework.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sounds
C'mon, you know damn well you wouldn't (and shouldn't) post personal information like that online. If you don't believe him, use critical thinking to parse through the information he gives. You should be doing that with everyone anyway...
I know that and so does he, our union shutdown our forum. So they come here, why can't we have this discussion on our dalpa forum? Where's the transparency?
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Bumping it for you Prof.

Are you going to keep dodging the question?

Professor.

Answer this. Did the NC achieve the same band for the A330 at Delta as AMR did for the A330 they have?

***AMR 777/a330/767-4- all in the same band.***
I thought pay banding was a concession that would lead to massive job loss!
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sounds

This is what I don't want. With the NMB elections coming up they have already said they wouldn't get to us till 2018.
Can we get that in writing?

Sorry bro, that FUD won't fly here.

The company's operation will unravel far sooner with the retirements coming up, and Wall Street will **** themselves when they realize labor risk is on the table. Our "me too" clause will kick in.

The company desperately needs a permanent fix to the AF/KLM violation. The arbitrator would not be pleased if the company pretty much plans on eternally ignoring our contract. That generates further leverage.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:53 AM
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When will the vote be out?
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
When will the vote be out?
The reps are still questioning the negotiators on sick leave. They are going through the TA section by section. This is section 14 of 28.

I'll be surprised if there is a vote today.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by civmilciv
I'd like to hear more about the JV language changes, EASKs vs block hours etc. and what it means for Delta widebody flying. It sounds horrible to me at first glance but I readily admit that I might be missing something. I hope I am. So, is this being discussed there today and if so what's the deal?


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That was covered in depth this morning.
Typing on a tiny phone but here's 3 numbers:

DAL Block hours-

Right now- 51.5%
What it SHOULD have been to comply with the JV- 53.1%
What the new TA allows- 49%

Edit: that's aircraft block hours not pilot block hours
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:02 AM
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Massive Concessions: The Firehose Effect.

The more I look into details (there are some good discussions on the chitchat forum), the more it seems like this is a firehose of concessions. A Medusa.

There is absolutely no way for our reps to wrap their heads around all the tweaks and gotchas in sick leave, AF/KLM, etc, in a week, much less two or three days.

If, IF, this goes to MEMRAT it will be a breeze for DALPA to sweep all the undesirable outcomes under the rug at road shows--there is just too much crap to wade through.
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