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Old 06-09-2015, 06:08 PM
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If the E190s are growth, and we took all 739s, 717s, 52 E190s and kept 88s and parked the supposed 60 ish 752s (total and DCI went to 425.... I see a ratio of 2.1 to 2.2.

I only see 1.8 if you keep our current fleet and DCI goes to 425.

If that's right, why set baseline at status quo? Why not put up or shut up, if its growth make the min ratio match?
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:12 PM
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If the E190s are growth, and we took all 739s, 717s, 52 E190s and kept 88s and parked the supposed 60 ish 752s (total and DCI went to 425.... I see a ratio of 2.1 to 2.2.

I only see 1.8 if you keep our current fleet and DCI goes to 425.

If that's right, why set baseline at status quo? Why not put up or shut up, if its growth make the min ratio match?
The current status quo is 1.55.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:12 PM
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Why should an E195 pay so much less than a 717? Roughly the same size.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:15 PM
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I'm convinced the supporters of this TA who are part of our pilot group are direct descendants of the French Vichy.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:19 PM
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Are you kidding me. There is someone that supports this TA other than the alpa robots ? I don't believe it. Nobody in their right mind could support this TA. It's a NO !!!!!
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up gauge the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.
Do you really think AF is going to park A380's? I don't. The Euro Laws make it very hard to change block hours (jobs) so I really can't see them down gauging either. The weak Euro makes those routes less profitable for us, so I really don't see us up gauging, quite the opposite in fact. I don't want this part of the agreement to be one of those "we didn't expect them to do that...." when we are flying one A321, to their A380. But at least Delta keeps half the profit, right?

In fact, our BH is LIMITED to 50% +/- 1%. So even if we wanted to fly more frequencies, we can't. I want those jobs at Delta!
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So your previous carrier had a voter fraud committed by the MEC while using ballpoint? What carrier and when?
This union used an electronic ballet system administered by a third party. It included an admin function for those within in the union (that hired the third party company) to "correct" votes if there were any issues. It was through this portal that votes were "massaged".

I don't think it's too much to ask allowing pilots a means to check their votes and reconcile with the system pilot wide. Especially with something as important as this TA. The fact our union resists such transparency raises flags.................................... again.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
I'm convinced the supporters of this TA who are part of our pilot group are direct descendants of the French Vichy.
Stockholm Syndrome...
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The current status quo is 1.55.
And that's well above the min of 1.35. If all this growth was planned and known why wasnt the min 1.55?
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The LCA carve-out of trips is a horrendous concession in my mind, but it does solve some company problems with the massive OE flood that is on the way for a decade. In some ways, company problems are my problems too. What are some other ways the company can solve this problem?

If I have it right, the FAA requires 25 hours of OE but Delta's policy is 35 (with schedulers scheduling roughly 40). How about we just require the FAA mandate, and schedule no more than 30? Naturally, we leave LCA bidding as is.

Thoughts? Surely there are better ideas, but I haven't heard this discussed much.
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